Best prices on Onkyo & Yamaha Equalizers?

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  1. Geoff L

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    Looking for good prices on theses two brands of home EQ's. Info is vague and I apoligize..
    ~other brands may be suggested, though would like to keep the prices around 300.00 or less per unit~
    Would prefer the higher end models, though model numbers escape me at this time. Both the Yammy and Onk have RTA displays in them along with pink noise & subsonic filter.
    Both are ten bands per channel or more.
    Might anyone also know if (ADC--Sound Shaper), still building EQ's? If not makeing them any more ~ might I find some used ADC EQ's ?? and if so where might I go to look at buying used??
    Will find proper Yamaha & Onkyo model numbers and post them till then~
    Any info, direction, or suggestions would be apreciated...
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  2. Wayne A. Pflughaupt

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    Geoff,
    It would be best to stay away from the budget models like ADC (now defunct, I believe) and Audio Source, etc.
    While I love Yamaha’s home theater equipment, I have no confidence in their equalizers. For many years Yamaha did not publish a THD spec for their top-of-the-line EQ-550 (the one with the RTA display), which I found very disconcerting (I noticed that they have finally listed this spec on their website). I have used Yamaha’s pro-audio EQs, and in my opinion they are among the worst on the market, and adding insult to injury they cost as much as the highly-regarded Ashly models. A Hyundai with a Cadillac price, if you will.
    I would recommend you take a look at Audio Control equalizers, Geoff. Audio Control is a specialist in signal processing equipment. With only a couple of exceptions, they are the only equalizers I saw in some 15 years of subscribing to the major hi-fi magazines. When you consider that these magazines do not like to publish overall negative reviews, that speaks volumes about the quality and competence of Audio Control equalizers. I have three of Audio Control’s top-of-the-line C-131 1/3 octave EQs in my system, and I have been very happy with them. In fact last year I did a head-to-head comparison between the C-131 and comparably priced Ashly pro EQ, and the Audio Control blew the Ashly away, displaying a significantly quieter noise floor and audibly less induced noise when boosting sliders.
    Signal-to-noise specs are very important with an equalizer, because anytime you boost a slider you have raised your system’s noise floor at that frequency. The budget EQs can have a relatively poor noise floor of 80dB, which is 15-20dB greater than a flagship receiver before any sliders are moved. Higher-priced models like the Onkyo Integra 35 and Yamaha EQ-550 have noise floors of 100 and 105dB respectively, a much better figure on par with most flagship receivers. However, you can see that they will induce noise in the system when bands ore boosted.
    By comparison, the Audio Control 1-octave EQs have a noise floor of 120dB, so there is virtually no chance they will induce noise in your system.
    Best of all is the reasonable price. The Audio Control C-101 Series III has the RTA display you like, and costs only $60 more than the questionable Yamaha EQ-550.
    You should be aware, Geoff, that the RTA function on 10-band equalizers is really a useless gimmick. Adequate measurement of room response requires an RTA with at least 1/3 octave resolution. The 1-octave resolution on the EQ-550 et al can give a general idea of what is happening with a program source, but that’s about it.
    If you can forgo the display, the excellent Audio Control Ten Series III can be had for a mere $200. Or, for the same price you can snag a used C-101 on e-bay. They typically sell for between $175 and $250:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1263783424
    Regards,
    Wayne A. Pflughaupt

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  3. Geoff L

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    Thanks Wayne,
    A large amount of information that I find usefull.
    The Yamaha spec situation i was not aware of! The Onkyo you speak of is what I was lookng at. Given your suggestion of the Audio Control equlizers, and very informative I might add, I was certainly not aware that some of there line was that reasonable dollar wise. No question the noise floor is a concern. No, the RTA is not an important thing, but simply a cool factor only. Certainly dont need it.
    Also was supprised by the Ashly comparison you did! Have listened to others toute this unit highly.
    Will look futher into the Audio Control line now that Im aware that they can be had by a lower dollar guy. Might have to look a little but as you said, used might be a viable alternative. Like you Wayne, Im looking to add three to the system, mains, center, and surrounds. Sealed Subs are handeled by the BFD.
    Though a 1/3 is more than what I need, yes it woud be nice, a 1 oct is more relistic and afordable for me. Still curiousity preludes me.
    May I ask what you gave for your 131's? And also where you bought them? Very impressive units. Sounds as though you are extremly pleased with these. Is there anything you do not like about the 131's?
    I apoligize for all the questions, but you do own them and who better to ask. And I thank you again for the bevy of info. EQ 101 [​IMG]
    Regards
    Geoff
     
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    Have you considered the Behringer Ultracurve? I've had one for a while and it works very well, although there can be some quirks to the analog digital conversion.
    They can be had on eBay for under $400 and offer 1/3 EQ, 3 bands of paramtric, and RTA and automatic room EQ.
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  6. Geoff L

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    Thanks again Wayne, your experience with eq's seem very large. For me a good thing. My use of eq's has been ,, say limited to lower end stuff at best.
    Have you used any of Furman, Nady, Dbx, DOD, and Behringer?
    Being a WEB tv user, [​IMG] im unable to down load spec files and its discouraging at best.
    What do you consider to be the most important things to look at when putting eq's in line? Noise floor for sure, but gain control issues along with longer slides seem to me to come in strong also.... As far a Sig noise spec's I would think 100 or better should be ok. Just dont see me boosting freq's more than 3 to 4 db, more apt to be cutting them. Am I out on a limb here, looking to fall on my ass or what.
    Another delema for me~is that if possible would like to find what ever I look to buy,~(in silver brushed if possible).~ Not a determening factor but would certainly like them to match if poss!
    Geoff
     
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    I own an Audio Control Rialto, and I think it does a terrific job.
    In fact, I'm using it as a 70hz xover in my system between my fronts and sub. It's done a great job of taming a huge bump I had in the 45hz region.
     

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