David Lambert
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I saw the quote below in a thread about TJ Hooker being planned for DVD, and saw my name invoked. So I started to answer there in the thread, and realized when I was done that this is actually a good topic for it's own thread!
So I've copied and pasted the whole thing below, just as I wrote it there. I mean no disrespect to the person I'm quoting, so I won't name that person here...I don't want anything thinking that I'm trying to embarrass anyone!! I was just trying to answer the question, and maybe talk to EVERYONE who continues to think that certain studios (Sony and Universal, notably) are rampant releasers of best-ofs. I point out that we're pretty well past that situation, with certain well-thought-out exceptions.
So I wanted to make this "essay" ( ) more visible by putting it in it's own thread, and letting everyone discuss below without taking the TJ Hooker discussion way off-topic in its own thread. Read on if you're still interested:
I can't remember the last time Sony did something that wasn't a season set, when it was a classic primetime show involved, with the exception of course of the about-to-ship "Mad About You" and upcoming "Larry Sanders Show" best-ofs that resulted from poor sales of the season sets they tried putting out in the first place.
We were indicated that it would be season sets for TJ Hooker, and Sony's plans seem to be these days to try season sets first and see if they sell, before falling back to best-ofs if they have to. It's not like the old days of Married...with Children best-ofs that led to season sets later, a Designing Women and a Steve Harvey best-of that led nowhere, and Greatest 70s Cop Shows thing that led somewhere for some shows on it and nowhere for others (Police Woman anyone?).
And unless I'm mistaken, that's Sony's (formerly Columbia/Trister's) entire history of best-ofs where classic primetime shows are concerned, except for Ripley's Believe It Or Not...which is the type of show that BENEFITS from a best-of (who wants season sets of that? not I!). Did I forget any? Anyone?
As for Hulk, that was Universal, whose only best-ofs were Hulk and 5th Wheel and Blind Date (the latter two also are the type of show that benefits from best-ofs...and it's a BIG stretch to call those two "classic primetime shows"). Oh, and they had a Baretta best-of that was released the same day as a Baretta season set. Oh, and they distributed Dreamworks' best-ofs for Spin City. That's it for Uni. They were misguided about Hulk, in my opinion. But I'm glad to have SOME Hulk on DVD than nothing at all.
But my point is that best-ofs from those two studios aren't as pervasive as some people might think. In fact, their records for best-ofs aren't that much different than Warner's (Friends, Babylon 5, Canadian-only Smallvile...not to mention various cartoons (B:TAS, Superfriends) that started as best-ofs than headed to season sets).
MGM's got Mr. Ed and New Outer Limits, which is only two but that's 1/3rd of all the classic primetime shows they put out on DVD! (the other four are Dead Like Me, Green Acres, Stargate SG-1, and the original Outer Limits). So they're way worse in proportion than Sony or Universal!!!
They all compare badly to Fox, who put out a best-of for Ally McBeal, partly due to music rights issues and partly because it was the early days of TV-DVDs and they were experimenting with what did and didn't work. And they did best-ofs for COPS, another show of the type where best-ofs are probably prefered. Some cartoons, too, but I'm concentrating on adult fare here (it can be argued that many parents prefer best-ofs for kids, and I see that every day both as a parent and over at TSoD; I never forget that adults buy them, too, because I definately do!...but let's talk about adult primetime stuff for right now). Other than that Fox has never released a best-of for any show without getting season sets rolling first (Simpsons, Family Guy, and upcoming Futurama and X-Files best-ofs, plus rumored Buffy best-ofs).
Buena Vista has no primetime best-ofs that I can think of, and IIRC Paramount only has the Jean-Luc Picard Collection (released only after TNG was completely out in season sets).
Summary: studios have "gotten it", by-and-large. They know we want season sets. I think it's good to remain vigilant on this topic, of course, but we can relax just a little bit in that we know the studios want to get seasons to us except in unusual situations where they feel they MUST go another way in order to get the product out at all (as with the upcoming (2/8) Mad About You release).
So I've copied and pasted the whole thing below, just as I wrote it there. I mean no disrespect to the person I'm quoting, so I won't name that person here...I don't want anything thinking that I'm trying to embarrass anyone!! I was just trying to answer the question, and maybe talk to EVERYONE who continues to think that certain studios (Sony and Universal, notably) are rampant releasers of best-ofs. I point out that we're pretty well past that situation, with certain well-thought-out exceptions.
So I wanted to make this "essay" ( ) more visible by putting it in it's own thread, and letting everyone discuss below without taking the TJ Hooker discussion way off-topic in its own thread. Read on if you're still interested:
I can't remember the last time Sony did something that wasn't a season set, when it was a classic primetime show involved, with the exception of course of the about-to-ship "Mad About You" and upcoming "Larry Sanders Show" best-ofs that resulted from poor sales of the season sets they tried putting out in the first place.
We were indicated that it would be season sets for TJ Hooker, and Sony's plans seem to be these days to try season sets first and see if they sell, before falling back to best-ofs if they have to. It's not like the old days of Married...with Children best-ofs that led to season sets later, a Designing Women and a Steve Harvey best-of that led nowhere, and Greatest 70s Cop Shows thing that led somewhere for some shows on it and nowhere for others (Police Woman anyone?).
And unless I'm mistaken, that's Sony's (formerly Columbia/Trister's) entire history of best-ofs where classic primetime shows are concerned, except for Ripley's Believe It Or Not...which is the type of show that BENEFITS from a best-of (who wants season sets of that? not I!). Did I forget any? Anyone?
As for Hulk, that was Universal, whose only best-ofs were Hulk and 5th Wheel and Blind Date (the latter two also are the type of show that benefits from best-ofs...and it's a BIG stretch to call those two "classic primetime shows"). Oh, and they had a Baretta best-of that was released the same day as a Baretta season set. Oh, and they distributed Dreamworks' best-ofs for Spin City. That's it for Uni. They were misguided about Hulk, in my opinion. But I'm glad to have SOME Hulk on DVD than nothing at all.
But my point is that best-ofs from those two studios aren't as pervasive as some people might think. In fact, their records for best-ofs aren't that much different than Warner's (Friends, Babylon 5, Canadian-only Smallvile...not to mention various cartoons (B:TAS, Superfriends) that started as best-ofs than headed to season sets).
MGM's got Mr. Ed and New Outer Limits, which is only two but that's 1/3rd of all the classic primetime shows they put out on DVD! (the other four are Dead Like Me, Green Acres, Stargate SG-1, and the original Outer Limits). So they're way worse in proportion than Sony or Universal!!!
They all compare badly to Fox, who put out a best-of for Ally McBeal, partly due to music rights issues and partly because it was the early days of TV-DVDs and they were experimenting with what did and didn't work. And they did best-ofs for COPS, another show of the type where best-ofs are probably prefered. Some cartoons, too, but I'm concentrating on adult fare here (it can be argued that many parents prefer best-ofs for kids, and I see that every day both as a parent and over at TSoD; I never forget that adults buy them, too, because I definately do!...but let's talk about adult primetime stuff for right now). Other than that Fox has never released a best-of for any show without getting season sets rolling first (Simpsons, Family Guy, and upcoming Futurama and X-Files best-ofs, plus rumored Buffy best-ofs).
Buena Vista has no primetime best-ofs that I can think of, and IIRC Paramount only has the Jean-Luc Picard Collection (released only after TNG was completely out in season sets).
Summary: studios have "gotten it", by-and-large. They know we want season sets. I think it's good to remain vigilant on this topic, of course, but we can relax just a little bit in that we know the studios want to get seasons to us except in unusual situations where they feel they MUST go another way in order to get the product out at all (as with the upcoming (2/8) Mad About You release).