I am really trying to stay on a budget here since I have a decent setup in my main family room and just spent a bunch of money finishing my basement. This is for my basement and room is about 15x18, I have wire to the back of the room. So I need to know the very best Home Theater in a Box for around $500 and I know they are usually junk and not worth it but there has to be one or two that are not that bad. I dont understand all of the terminology but I do want a receiver preferrably without a built in DVD player. I really want a Blue Ray player so a system without a DVD or blue ray is fine and I will just add a Blue ray seperately later. So if I could get a receiver, speakers and a sub for $500 I would be happy. Am I correct in saying that Onkyo seems to have some of the better HTIB? I also dont want to be limited with stuff like the HDMI pass through, does this really matter? Like I said I am new to all of this. I have considered putting together seperate components but it keeps becoming too expensive, even if I try to get a refurbished receiver. But you have any good ideas for this approach please let me know. I hate to spend $500 on something that is not worth it but I dont know what else to do. I really need some guidance here, please help. Any suggestions are appreciated.