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Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Jeff Kleist, Dec 19, 2002.
Well, no shit sherlock. It also could have been GOOD
I've said it before, I'll say it again - good writing will help the franchise ten times more than not being on the air will. But, hey, Berman's not exactly in a position to say "Brannon and me - we suck. We had a couple good years on TNG, but, man, we've shot our wad and have no good ideas left, although that doesn't stop us from writing damn near every script for Enterprise or pushing Ron Moore off Voyager because we saw him as a threat to our chances to run the next show."
Jason, Well he could say that. I've been wondering if it might be better for Enterprise to get cut loose than have 5 more years of the same crap. If it's cancelled soon then it's a failed experiment. If it goes on for 7 years it could do major damage to the fan base.
That's what'll kill the show more than anything. If the studio detects the franchise is in jeopardy. And frankly, after Voyager sucked hard, and Enterprise is even WORSE, I'd say those red flags should be waving right around Feb sweeps
I once said the franchise should be put in stasis. Meaning I'm agreeing with Berman for the first time in, oh, nine or ten years.
Ah, but doesn't the very fact that Berman is saying this make you wonder if maybe you were wrong?
Of course, if I were running Paramount Television, I'd read that and start thinking that maybe it's time to get a more enthusiastic guy running the show.
I don't think it needs to be put on the backburner. I just think we need new leadership. Bring in a new creative team and that solves most of the problems.
A new team behind ENTERPRISE? But would that mean the end of the "sexier" episodes!
Seriously, given this Trek-saturated era (remember, we once had DS9 and Voyager running simultaneously), I doubt that even good scripts can save the franchise now. People are tired of Star Trek, and only the hardcore fans are propping it up presently. All those bad stories from Voyager and, now, Enterprise, certainly didn't help and probably left a bad taste in the mouths of casual fans and onlookers. You could get Ron D., Maurice, Ira, Rene, and all the good guys back and it probably wouldn't make any difference at this stage. People have an impression about current Star Trek, and it isn't a good one. The big wind of ill will at Paramount, though, is the audience indifference to Nemesis. What with the new Rings movie already breaking records, Nemesis will crash faster than the Enterprise-D did in Generations. These are bad times for Star Trek. Give it a rest. Even the idea of a Riker/Troi-centered series doesn't sound good.
MMMmmmmm, Jossian Star Trek.......... I honestly don't think he'd really work on the show. MAYBE TOS but no other Treks. What they really need to do is wind the clocks forward another 70 years and see where it goes. Get Ron Moore balck after Battlestar Blasphemy concludes and let him run amok.
I actually agree with the points being made here. But giving the franchise a rest is compelling too. Look, Bill Clinton was a popular president, the economy was skyrocketing, and times were good, but there was the ever-present problem in 1999-2000 of "Clinton fatigue." What we have here is Star Trek fatigue. It's Paramount's best-known brand, true, but non-hardcore fans pretty much think they have the franchise figured out, and they're apathetic--and it's the non-hardcore fans who need to be brought back for the numbers to go back up.
Well Jack, the Federation is a tad TOO utopian. How about a series set say, 200 years where the whole thing is breaking down? Where those goofs on Risa may be proven right?
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It has almost never done that. Its creator, Gene Roddenberry, never made any bones about what the show was to be: "Wagon Train to the stars". It was always conceived as, and has pretty much always been, an "action-adventure" show in a futuristic, deep-space setting, that, oh, by the way, had the intelligence and the luxury of actually exploring some real "science-fictional" ideas on occasion.
Some of us "serious science-fiction types" have wished it would be or become more like what you're describing, but it has never become so, and never will, I think.
It's not a matter of "settling"; it's a matter of wising up with age. I suspect that will happen to you as well.
Spun some TOS last night in the bedroom player, and thought of this thread. Excellent comments, and all points of view seem valid. But I can't help feeling that Trek's best days are forever behind us. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Hey, I have an excellent idea how to improve the season two ratings: every episode, kill off a regular cast member. Put them all in deep trouble and keep them there. At the end of season two, there's just Hoshi and Archer. In the last minute, Hoshi reveals herself to be a Romulan agent and shoots Archer, stealing Enterprise. Season three is about Earth trying to find Enterprise and get revenge (cue well-known actor from the movies taking command of the seek-and-destroy mission). Unfortunately, Hoshi and a fake crew have destroyed a small Klingon colony. War breaks out. Earth is attacked. etc. I'll take that idea over the Temporal Yawn War any day.
If UPN wants to put Star Trek on hold why not pick up Firefly and Farscape to take its place?