beginner (kinda) looking for help

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  1. J0hn.M.

    J0hn.M. Auditioning

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    Howdy, this is only my 2nd post here
    but basically I am looking for some speakers for a possible home stereo project. I am not an audio dummy at all, just now familiar with home audio.

    My overall goal is to make a home stereo that is at the same level as my car stereo

    My car stereo consists of a pair of
    Crystal Mobilesound CPe60s
    - http://www.crystalmobilesound.com/co...?ComponentID=7
    and an Elemental Designs K 15
    - http://www.edesignaudio.com/ep/kseries.htm
    - box = 4.5 cubes port tuned to 28hz

    With a little bit of pointing i found these on partsexpress.com

    I will build my own cabinets for them
    and have very little idea of what to get for amps

    sub
    driver 295-120 - DAYTON 12" SERIES II WOOFER
    amp 300-792 - 120W SUBWOOFER AMPLIFIER
    Mids
    driver 295-306 - DAYTON 6-1/2" SHIELDED WOOFER
    tweet 275-070 - DAYTON 1-1/8" SILK DOME TWEETER
    amp 248-515 - TEAC AG-780 STEREO RECEIVER
    Xovers 260-174 - CROSSOVER 2-WAY 3,000 Hz 100W

    you can look here for overall idea so far
    http://home.pacifier.com/~mobley/ht.html
     
  2. Dan Hine

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    for the sub, you'd be much better off going with the Dayton DVC 12" than the Series II driver. It's a few more bucks but more than worth it. Do a search in the DIY area for the Dayton DVC or Adire Audio's Shiva.

    For the speakers first off ditch the generic crossover. The single most important part of a completed speaker is the crossover. A crap crossover will make the most exotic drivers sound like crap while a great crossover can make inexpensive drivers sound wonderful.

    I would probably recommend the Dayton III project. It uses the same drivers you mentioned, but adds another 6.5" driver for a MTM layout. The 296-305 used in Wayne's design is essentially the same driver as the -306 so you should be able to just substitute them with no problems.

    Oh, and you can do better than that TEAC receiver. TEAC used to make good stuff but I've not been impressed with their products recently. It has been awhile since I've receiver shopped...I think Onkyo would probably have a nice 2channel receiver for a decent price. You should be able to pick one up from a place like Circuit City for a modest price.
     
  3. J0hn.M.

    J0hn.M. Auditioning

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    Thanks for the reply
    should I just move up to the adire shiva for low end
    - i almost got one for my car, but decided on elemental instead.

    or with those cabinets I would even need a sub (maybe later [​IMG])
    and is a bit cheaper than my first idea

    with the Xover, is there a Xover I can buy?
    I am pretty lazy, and don't have alot of free time [​IMG]
    what about the more expensive Xovers from parts express
    like these PE# 260-140
    they appear to be the same Xover design as the site you mentioned

    I will look into the Onkyo receivers
    I know absaloutly nothing about home receivers
    what features shood I look for or avoid?
     
  4. J0hn.M.

    J0hn.M. Auditioning

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    I did find the Onkyo TX-8511
    I like the power rating, and reliability ratings I found

    but i don't need anything except a simple amplifier
    do they make those for home audio or just receivers??

    If I could get an amplifier that excepted one source (more would be nice) that did 100x2 RMS i would be happy

    In actuality the onkyo at $250 is more than I am willing to spend. maybe I have been spoiled in caraudio, but i could get a 200 watt car audio amp for like 100 bucks
     
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  6. J0hn.M.

    J0hn.M. Auditioning

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    I agree that being lazy and DIY don't usually go hand in hand. but I have amassed a very clean sound car audio via DIY and I can build a Xover was just hoping for an easier solution.

    so when the times comes, i will build the dayton 3 project to spec.

    what about the receiver vs amp question??
    is there something with less features?
    I simply want an amplifier
     
  7. Ryan Schnacke

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    Typically you can find a 100 watts per channel receiver for cheaper than you can find a 100 WPC stand alone amp. There's just a lot of low end stereo receivers out there and you can find them for $100 or less. So that really does match your 200 watts/$100 car audio value.

    When people move to seperate pre-amp and amplifier they usually do it to get more quality. So the stand alone amps tend to be higher quality and more expensive. A good example of "less is more".

    With less than $250 to spend I think you'll have to buy used to get a significant step up in quality.
     
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    John,
    I answered your question in the Beginners section but I want to add something here. Building the DIII crossover isn't that hard. It took me around two hours to build three (left/center/right). That included laying out the parts, twisting everything together, soldering and hot gluing it to a board. Don't skimp on the DIII crossover. These speakers sound amazing for their price.

    -Robert
     
  9. J0hn.M.

    J0hn.M. Auditioning

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    thanks for the reply

    I can make Xovers, just don't have alot of free time
    and was hoping to be able to purchase them.

    (i did make some customer Xovers for my components in my car)
    any ideas about an amplifier?
    cheaper the better [​IMG]

    thanks for the replies
     
  10. KyleGS

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    I would look into the H/K receivers also. They are rated as having less power than most receivers but in actuality they put out cleaner, more powerful and dynamic power. They are one of the handful of companies that rate their receivers at their true rating with all channels driven at the entire bandwidth. Harmankardon.com has the AVR120-z at 198.00 plus shipping. These are last years models at great discounts. Denon and the new Sony ES's are good also. You could also look into Marantz, Yamaha... the possibilities are endless.
     

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