The Marantz 8300 weighs 14 lbs or so, has the chroma bug, and incomplete bass management, but goes for ~$1250 or so. I just came across a dealer willing to sell me a DV-12S1 for $1000. But looking on ebay, you can get them for $800. DVD-Audio/DVD-V/CD machine. Built like a tank. No bass management. (Personally, I'd rather have none, than incomplete.) There was also the SA-12S1. SACD/CD/DVD-V machine. The "brother" of the DV-12S1. Looks like about $1200. Both weighed 29 lbs. I think it was Secrets review of one of them, that said it didn't appear it had the chroma bug. And then maybe Secrets or a different review said that, looking at the insides, the DV-12S1 *could* do SACD too, but that it seemed like a marketing decision by Marantz to offer 2 players. My beef? Why go "backwards" with the 8300? Has the chroma bug, and less robust build quality? Makes me mad , because I could at least live with the incomplete bass management, but for $1250, I expect a player that wouldn't have the chroma bug. But I've looked at them a few times and it really seems like a nice machine. Why am I asking this? My DV45a just arrived. Maybe I was expecting more, but 5 lbs 12 oz? I'm mad at Marantz. So close, yet (for me) so far away.