Larry B
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Nice to know that speaker quality is judged by how loudly it will play. Logically then, I guess amps should be judged by their wattage. (Alas, pity the poor SETS:frowning: ).
Larry
Larry
Logically then, I guess amps should be judged by their wattage.Only if you force them to drive inefficienct speakers
Seriously, aren't amps judged by wattage these days? Aren't speakers judged by how low and high they go? Think about it: if you had to pick between a speaker that does 30Hz - 11KHz realy well, vs. another that does 20Hz - 20KHz pretty well, which would you pick? There's not much music below 30Hz and above 9KHz. Even knowing that, I would be very uncomfortable sacrificing the frequency extremes to get better performance where it matters more. It's just been drilled into me, 20-20K, 20-20K.
It comes back to what you mean when you talk about accuracy. For me, to be accurate is to sound realistic, and volume/SPL is definitely a part of that. Not necessarily more important than tonal/timbral accuracy, but certainly not irrelevant either. In other words, if you have a pair of speakers that makes a piccolo sound like a piccolo, but the orchestra sounds like it's being played by a bunch of Barbie dolls on a 6" high stage, that's not accurate. If a drum set sounds like a toy, that's not accurate, no matter how flat the frequency response is.
Of course, I'm exaggerating, but I hope you get the point I'm trying to make
We don't see eye to eye, on this, that is the fact, we will just agree to disagree. we should leave it at that.Agreed. Especially if your posts get any more insulting, and then I'll have no interest in continuing this conversation either.
P.S. I will add that Thiel speakers are quite inefficient but are, IMO, more life-like and more sophisticated than the vast majority of speakers I've heard.Do your musical tastes push your speakers to their dynamic limits? I think that plays in to a large extent too. You can design a speaker that'll excel at soft/acoustic music and faiol miserably with live rock, and vice versa. Maybe your musical tastes don't require that much dynamic ability from a speaker to sound real, which is why you prefer designs which sacrifice dynamics in order to get greater accuracy in other areas.
Silly me, I thought we were talking about the quality of sound, not the volume. In that case, the Klipschorn will indeed go louder than B&W, so you can hit 150db on whichever rock ballad you choose to go deaf by.That wasnt what I said. Next time at least quote the entire sentance! I said "BTW by "beat the crap out of" I meant louder and better sounding. I prefer the Klipsch sound over most other speakers but not everyone does. Im sure some people would perfer the B&W over the Klipschorn but I bet the majority would pick the Klipschorn. And since we are talking about rock and roll here like Saurav said, the Klipschorn has a higher maximum SPL." In my opinion they are better sounding.
I don't know about $20K, but say in the $2K-$5K region, you can certainly build your own speakers that would be much better than anything you could buy from a store.Maybe. If you assume that all the complex design of cabinet shape and resonances, and matching cross-overs with tweeters, and hand-crafted tweeters, are all for naught.
Larry
Do your musical tastes push your speakers to their dynamic limits? I think that plays in to a large extent too. You can design a speaker that'll excel at soft/acoustic music and faiol miserably with live rock, and vice versa. Maybe your musical tastes don't require that much dynamic ability from a speaker to sound real, which is why you prefer designs which sacrifice dynamics in order to get greater accuracy in other areas.Could be. Or maybe we just like different sounds. Or both.
LB
Maybe. If you assume that all the complex design of cabinet shape and resonances, and matching cross-overs with tweeters, and hand-crafted tweeters, are all for naught.I think you're getting it all wrong. Nowhere did I say anyone should try to design their own speaker. That is foolish, it'll take years to approach the skill of a master designer, and in most cases you never will. OK, it's not foolish, but that's almost purely a learning/fun excercise, the average person won't get great sound out of that approach for a long time.
AFAIK, only a handful of people actually try designing their own speakers. Most use other peoples' designs, and in most cases these designers are really good at what they do. So, they've already done the work of picking drivers, working on the crossover, cabinet, etc. You, as a DIY'er, start out wiith a list of components to buy, and CAD plans for the cabinet construction. If you're like me, you find a skilled woodworker to build the cabinets for you. Then, all that's left is to buy the drivers and crossover components, and assemble the speaker by following instructions.
The better DIY kits use very high quality drivers and components. I've seen speaker kits that cost a few thousand dollars, where the drivers are a few hundred, the caps/inductors are of top quality, internal wiring is high-purity copper or silver, and so on. Compare that with what you'd get in a commercial offering in the same price range.
Could be. Or maybe we just like different sounds. Or both.There I go, making assumptions about your musical tastes My apologies.
here I go, making assumptions about your musical tastes. My apologies.There's nothing to apologize for. You merely speculated, and your speculations were reasonably accurate.
Over the years my listening levels have decreased for two reasons: (1) I live in a condominium and (2) my ears have become increasingly sensitive to loud noises. So indeed, the ability of a speaker to rapidly ramp up volume is almost certainly less important to me than it is to some others.
However, concomitant with my lower-volume listening has come an increasing appreciation of the nuances of music, and of the "body-ness" of musical instruments, especially those of the acoustic variety (including human voice). My choice of components reflects this.
Larry