B & W not deep enough

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  1. NatL

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    I have recently embarked into the world of 16:9 RPTV with a Pioneer SD-583HD5. I have really appreciated the quality of DVD's on it, overall, particularly 16:9 enhanced ones.

    My big problem, however, is the quality of Black & White picture. I have been watching my copy of "The Third Man," which on my old Sony trinitron looked amazing - very deep blacks. The city of Vienna really came alive. I could see the rain glisten on the streets.

    My DVD player is merely an old Sony S500D (I was an early adopter) and I have not had ISF calibration - although I have calibrated according to some material I read on-line(which worked wonders - my B&W movies aren't bathed in a sepia tint anymore).

    On my RPTV, the blacks just aren't very deep at all. The rain doesn't glisten. The picture doesn't leep out at me at all.

    Does anyone else have this problem? What are the best settings to monkey with to sharpen that up? Could it be my DVD player? Can one never really expect that deep of blacks on an RPTV?

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    I thought I'd pull this thread back up again, one more time, because it is really important to me.

    Any thoughts?

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  3. Michael TLV

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    Professional calibration ... AVIA or VE?

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    I have VE.
     
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    Michael TLV THX Video Instructor/Calibrator

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    Have you done the other requisite tweaks like E-focus and M-focus?

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    I'm not sure what you mean?
     
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    Michael TLV THX Video Instructor/Calibrator

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    electronic focus
    mechanical focus
     
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    I haven't done those. Are they in the service menu? I was a little nervous going in there, and essentially only made the adjustments from:

    http://home.attbi.com/~jack.lew/sd582.htm

    Then I dropped my brightness by about 10 and it was good.

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  9. Michael TLV

    Michael TLV THX Video Instructor/Calibrator

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    These are physical tweaks ... time to get down and dirty.

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    Do you really think these are things that I will need to do? Are they hard for a non-pro to do? Will they help deepen the blacks on B&W sources?

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  11. Michael TLV

    Michael TLV THX Video Instructor/Calibrator

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    They can't hurt, but if you really want better blacks ... then it is time to consider paying the piper by bringing in the heavy testing equipment.

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    Heavy testing equipment - as in getting an ISF technician?

    Are there any more practical settings I could look for? What are the key things for deeper blacks?

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    Key things would be proper contrast and brightness settings #1.
     
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    Get the ISF calibration. While it made a difference in a number of respects, setting the greyscale properly on my set made a HUGE, HUGE difference in black & white movies. Chances of having a proper greyscale out of the box are approximately zero. Since you don't sound comfortable doing the tweaks, it's probably for the best to have a professional do them. I was in the exact same boat.
     
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    How much do ISF calibrations go for, generally? Assuming there is someone nearby...

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    Basic grayscale calibration of an RPTV has a recommended price of $275. (two hours or so ... never more)

    Advance calibration can cost from about $400 to $600 or more depending on the permutations of serice you want.
    (4 to 6 hours typical)

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