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Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS ALLOWED THREAD

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  1. Lou Sytsma

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    Damn that was fun.

    My first reaction when Cap came back from time sitting on the park bench was it was a pre-Super Serum Steve Rogers. Loved the composition of that shot with Steve on the bench looking out across the water. Beautiful. Going from that thought to seeing aged Steve Rogers brought a swirl of emotions - damn, woah!, ah - good for him! A small moment but a really impactful one in a movie filled with many such moments.
     
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    Yes exactly. I’m surprised no one else mentioned this. Including me.

    If it was SS Rogers he wouldn’t have aged as he was at the end.
     
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    Old Steve looks like old Tom Cruise... :D
     
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    Sure, he would've. Dude would've been pushing 100!

    I think it's unlikely that a non-serum Steve - who was small and sickly - would've made it to 80, much less still looked good at nearly 100!
     
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    The Steve Rogers who went back in time was post serum. Therefore, Old Man Steve had to be Serum Steve as well. If he was Skinny Steve, for starters, he wouldn't know who the Avengers were. And the branching timeline with old Skinny Steve would have resulted in a a wildly different outcome, considering there would be no Steve Rogers as Captain America. So he could not have sat down at that bench.

    The way to explain Old Man Steve is that he was always meant to go back in time in this timeline. He goes back, marries Peggy (who was revealed to have a mystery husband in Winter Soldier) and then ages naturally and plops down on the bench on the day he initially left the timeline.

    Also, the shield he presents Sam was not the same shield that Tony gives back. I presume it was whipped up in the quick in Wakanda and given to Steve as a replacement. For instance, the star in the middle has indentations on the segments.
     
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    As seen in the big battle, Cap's shield was not whole after his battling with Thanos.
     
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    It was most certainly super Soldier Steve Rogers.

    They never said that he doesn’t age. He did, however, still look young for his age. He was about 100 years old but looked more like mid-70’s.
     
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    Personally I think Steve went back to the 70s and laid low for forty years.
     
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    Holy crap of course.
     
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    Not even a chance.
     
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    Correct, hence the (presumably) Wakandan replacement. However, there seems to be a misconception out there that Steve took the shield from the past and gave it to Sam. There's also a misconception that Mjolnir never went back because they didn't see it with Steve when he went on his trip to put everything back or because they though Mjolnir was Steve's permanent weapon and thus missing from the past.

    BTW, Steve takes a case with 6 bare stones. But the power stone, mind stone, and space stone all have containers. And the reality stone would have to be re-injected into Jane, who might be a bit reluctant to allow it. Sounds like the perfect scene for the Me Too era!
     
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    It was definitely the post-serum Steve. That's what kept him looking young at 100 years old.

    My wife commented on how much he looked like Joe Biden!

    Then how do you explain the 1940s car that drove down the street? Or the 1945 song that was playing? Or that Peggy looked all of 26 or 27?
     
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    I've mentioned similar thoughts about the stones in earlier posts. That makes a "seamless" reintegration into those timeline realities a bit difficult. A small flaw in the plan, but not on the level of Loki running off with the Tesseract.
     
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    Assuming Steve did reintegrate the Infinity Stones properly and Mjolnir, there are still three alternate timelines:

    1) 2014 Thanos free timeline. As far as I could tell, Thanos found the stone on Morvad even if Ronan dispatched his minions to collect it. Maybe it's still safely tucked away in that loosely guarded temple. No snap and no Guardians meeting up.

    2) Avengers Loki with the Tesseract timeline. He teleports out of New York. It looks like this might have been done deliberately for the upcoming Loki series on Disney+. By the way, there are two other incursions - first, Steve says, "Hail Hydra". That means that whole group thinks Steve is also a sleeper Hydra agent. He also tells the other Steve during that fight that Bucky's alive. Despite the multiple incursions, it's all a single branched off timeline.

    3) Missing baseball mitt at the Barton farm timeline. Who knows what chaos ensues?
     
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    What's everyone's thoughts on Tony being able to do the snap? Thanos - a far mightier being needed a gauntlet forged in the heart of a neutron star. Hard to believe Tony's armour is that strong...

    Biggest inconsistency in the movie for me.
     
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    This is getting as complicated as 2004's - Primer! :rolling-smiley:
     
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    My take is that the amount of material change necessary, the amount of power needed to fuel it. The god-like Thanos snaps half of the people in the universe and it disfigures him. Banner snaps all of them back and pays a huge physical toll, although his gamma irradiated body is able to handle some of the feedback.

    But Tony is only trying to snap away Thanos and his minions, so it doesn't require as much power, although it's still more power than he can mortally handle. The suit is able to protect him temporarily from the effects of the stones.
     
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    I think it’s explained earlier in the movie when they’re debating who should do the snap, and Hulk ultimately steps up. It’s not that none of the other guys couldn’t have tried; it’s that it would have killed them in the process, which is why it didn’t make sense to try it with them.

    When Tony does it, he’s accepting that it will cost him his life.
     
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    Ah - good call! Thanks.
     

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