AV Receiver: time for an upgrade

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After 17 years, I think I'm due for an AV receiver upgrade. I've been happy with the 5.1 performance of my trusty Nakamichi AV-10, but I want something new and fun. Here's what I'm looking for:
  • Ample power to drive my B&W 603 S2s and Velodyne FSX-12 sub.
  • I plan on running 5.1.2 by adding front up-firing ATMOS speakers, placed on top of my fronts
  • Ability to add more speakers later
  • Future proof support for movie audio codecs (Atmos, DTS:X)
  • Good sounding 2-channel music (mostly streaming at this point)
  • Auto calibration
  • 4K HDR pass-through to my LG OLED B6
  • Works well with XBOX S for UHD Blu-Ray

Nice to have:
  • Chromecast support
  • 1080p --> 4K upsampling

Here is my consideration set at the moment.
  • Sony STR-DN1080
  • Pioneer VSX LX303
  • Pioneer VSX LX503
  • Onkyo TX-NR787
  • Denon AVR-X3500H
  • Yamaha RX-V685
  • Marantz SR5013

Suggestions?
 
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Scott DeToffol

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I made the call and got the Pioneer VSX-LX503. After a few hours of setup, I'm very impressed. I think I waited too long to upgrade :)
 

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Congrats, 17 years is a long run. I average 5-6 years, seems to be the sweet spot to upgrade to the latest codecs and formats that will be utterly obsolete in 5-6 years <_<
 

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After 17 years, I think I'm due for an AV receiver upgrade. I've been happy with the 5.1 performance of my trusty Nakamichi AV-10, but I want something new and fun. Here's what I'm looking for:
  • Ample power to drive my B&W 603 S2s and Velodyne FSX-12 sub.
  • I plan on running 5.1.2 by adding front up-firing ATMOS speakers, placed on top of my fronts
  • Ability to add more speakers later
  • Future proof support for movie audio codecs (Atmos, DTS:X)
  • Good sounding 2-channel music (mostly streaming at this point)
  • Auto calibration
  • 4K HDR pass-through to my LG OLED B6
  • Works well with XBOX S for UHD Blu-Ray
Here is my consideration set at the moment.
  • Sony STR-DN1080
  • Pioneer VSX LX303
  • Pioneer VSX LX503
  • Onkyo TX-NR787
  • Denon AVR-X3500H
  • Yamaha RX-V685
  • Marantz SR5013
I would go with the Marantz SR-6013, second choice a Denon then the Sony but I would step up to the STR-DN1100 as it is the same price as the SR-5013. But those are the three I would go with with Marantz being my top pick! I know you list has the 5013 but not only do I not see speaker terminals for Atmos channels but no ability to use power amps for Atmos channels. I would also seriously reconsider using the reflecting Atmos modules. They honestly will not give you the real immersive environment you think they will. Reflecting sound is also a bad idea as you loose definition and introduce distortion from the sound bouncing off a solid object. You may also want to research and see if your XBox will actually pass Atmos to your receiver or it will just be 5.1 even though you would have 5.1.2 capability. I know the Marantz SR-5013 and all models above it give you dual sub out. I how ever am not sure if the 5013 or the 6013 gives you separate eq and cross overs for each subwoofer. But I would wait a bit longer and pick up the 6013 that will be a great trade off from going with the flagship and give you more flexibility for the future so you do not have to replace the receiver to soon. It is my honest opinion that Audyssey is the best way to go. Oh nice choice on the 4K OLED!

I myself am considering upgrading my bedroom receiver which is a Pioneer Elite SC-05 to a Marantz SR5013, Denon AVR-X3500H or Sony SRT-DN1100. Will be upgrading my Samsung 4K player soon and the Samsung will go to the bedroom system.

This system is set up as 7.1.4 but is capable of 7.2.4 (Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, Auro 3D, Dolby True HD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, Dolby Vision, HDR, Imax Enhanced, Three zone audio, Three 4K HDMI Outs, Toridal Transformer, dual subwoofer crossover, 4K upconversion from 480p and 1080p sources) This is the receiver that replace my Pioneer Elite SC-05 and the one that beat out the Denon, Yamaha and Sony to win the spot in my home theater!
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Marantz tells me that that was never implemented! The email stated that it was not implemented but if Dolby asked them to do it then it would be in an update.
 

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I would go with the Marantz SR-6013, second choice a Denon then the Sony but I would step up to the STR-DN1100 as it is the same price as the SR-5013. But those are the three I would go with with Marantz being my top pick! I know you list has the 5013 but not only do I not see speaker terminals for Atmos channels but no ability to use power amps for Atmos channels. I would also seriously reconsider using the reflecting Atmos modules. They honestly will not give you the real immersive environment you think they will. Reflecting sound is also a bad idea as you loose definition and introduce distortion from the sound bouncing off a solid object. You may also want to research and see if your XBox will actually pass Atmos to your receiver or it will just be 5.1 even though you would have 5.1.2 capability. I know the Marantz SR-5013 and all models above it give you dual sub out. I how ever am not sure if the 5013 or the 6013 gives you separate eq and cross overs for each subwoofer. But I would wait a bit longer and pick up the 6013 that will be a great trade off from going with the flagship and give you more flexibility for the future so you do not have to replace the receiver to soon. It is my honest opinion that Audyssey is the best way to go. Oh nice choice on the 4K OLED!

I myself am considering upgrading my bedroom receiver which is a Pioneer Elite SC-05 to a Marantz SR5013, Denon AVR-X3500H or Sony SRT-DN1100. Will be upgrading my Samsung 4K player soon and the Samsung will go to the bedroom system.

This system is set up as 7.1.4 but is capable of 7.2.4 (Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, Auro 3D, Dolby True HD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, Dolby Vision, HDR, Imax Enhanced, Three zone audio, Three 4K HDMI Outs, Toridal Transformer, dual subwoofer crossover, 4K upconversion from 480p and 1080p sources) This is the receiver that replace my Pioneer Elite SC-05 and the one that beat out the Denon, Yamaha and Sony to win the spot in my home theater! View attachment 57799
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Like your AV room setup.. The Altec speakers caught my eye ,, "A-7" ?? in the late 1960's Altec called them 'Voice of Theater' speakers. ONLY available in Black painted plywood cabinet (NOT suitable to the 'better half', spent more than 11 HOURS building the two cabinets to Altec Lansing specs (did glue, caulk and real careful with insulation, using walnut veneer and expensive cloth screen front, Voice of Theater measured at 24" D x 60" H x 36" W,,, using a 20" woofer and 17" CAST aluminum horn if memory serves). The 110 hours was worth it when placed side by side with Altec factory VoT with McIntosh amp (tube) and Dual turntable sounded far BETTER on my version of Altec Voice of Theater than factory speakers. Sound has yet to be beat, though B&O Penta 2 speakers (c. 1992) come close. davzway
 

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was 110 HOURS, not 11.. not sure why reply wasn't liked.. Altec A-7 used to be 'Voice of Theater' speakers,, provided the lower section has 17" cast aluminum horn and upper section where only narrow vertical slot for woofer can be seen is covering the 20" overall dimension of woofer. The St Peterburg Bay Front Center used these speakers up in ceiling overhead mounted to steel girder beams to provide sound for the entire theater.
 

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Thanks Davzway, I purchased mine from my father in the 90's so I have had them for awhile. Back in the late early 80's my father had these Altec A-7's which where gray and he had a second pair that where black. Before I knew he was selling off everything he had sold the black pair, a pair of 18" subs and three Yamaha 300 watts/channel stereo power amplifiers.

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This system is set up as 7.1.4 but is capable of 7.2.4 (Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, Auro 3D, Dolby True HD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, Dolby Vision, HDR, Imax Enhanced, Three zone audio, Three 4K HDMI Outs, Toridal Transformer, dual subwoofer crossover, 4K upconversion from 480p and 1080p sources) This is the receiver that replace my Pioneer Elite SC-05 and the one that beat out the Denon, Yamaha and Sony to win the spot in my home theater!
One thing I'm curious about is why you have such an elaborate sound system and only a modestly sized TV - it doesn't look like it's much bigger than 40" (and even that might be a bit on the generous side)?
 

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It might be hard to believe but my tv is a 55" and it is most likely the size of the A-7's that make the tv look small. And it is a Sony XBR55A9F 55"OLED 4K HDR/Dolby Vision/IMAX Enhanced TV which was the biggest OLED I could afford from Sony. The TV may be on the small side by todays standards but the picture is amazing.

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To each his own. My good audio system is what most people would consider rather elaborate, in a dedicated room, and I have a 42" plasma. Personally, I think most people get TVs that are uncomfortably big.
 

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To each his own. My good audio system is what most people would consider rather elaborate, in a dedicated room, and I have a 42" plasma. Personally, I think most people get TVs that are uncomfortably big.
I don't quite understand that logic about being uncomfortably big?
 

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It might be hard to believe but my tv is a 55" and it is most likely the size of the A-7's that make the tv look small. And it is a Sony XBR55A9F 55"OLED 4K HDR/Dolby Vision/IMAX Enhanced TV which was the biggest OLED I could afford from Sony. The TV may be on the small side by todays standards but the picture is amazing.

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I don't have a problem with the gigantic speakers or the size of the TV. But what would drive me absolutely nuts is not having the screen and center speaker centered perfectly between those monstrous mains.:D
 
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