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They aren't? What am I misunderstanding here? I thought all their chips were created in-house.
Silicon wafer:
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Silicone wrist band:
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Ah, more accurately...

Apple Silicon

Apple Silicone
Okay. So you are posting multiple jabs at me because my auto-correct put an “e” at the end of silicon.
 

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Okay. So you are posting multiple jabs at me because my auto-correct put an “e” at the end of silicon.

My initial post I was poking fun at the autocorrect, as I noted:
(Autocorrect, I understand. :) )

Then I got confused as to whether folks knew the difference in silicon and silicone so posted the literal images.

And then I thought it was funny that I was wrong and you were right, realizing Apple actually does produce its own own Silicone! :)
 

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My initial post I was poking fun at the autocorrect, as I noted:


Then I got confused as to whether folks knew the difference in silicon and silicone so posted the literal images.

And then I thought it was funny that I was wrong and you were right, realizing Apple actually does produce its own own Silicone! :)

Understood! Thanks, Dave!
 

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Yep.

Apple cares about “services” revenue. They get that with subscriptions and by running what amounts to a casino with pay-to-win “games” with addicting features.

But they don’t seem to have cared about “gaming” for the past decade or more.
 

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He's right of course. At the end of the day, there's just not that much $$$ to be made in the hardcore gaming world... and Apple would have to compete w/ long established market leaders in that field if they bother to make that leap.

Purely financially, they're far better off going after (or sticking w/) my Mom, my wife and the vast majority of other casual gamers who get addicted via their iPhones and iPads instead, which they're already long established market leaders...

Me? I'm just trying to get my Mom, wife, kids, et al unhooked from all that addictive gaming screen time, LOL, especially exacerbated by this pandemic... Interestingly, I used to be like that ages ago before smartphones, etc and largely lost that interest in (video) gaming ever since my college days -- I would sporadically check stuff out, but never got hooked again, except w/ some deep fantasy baseball I still play...

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Apple could be into gaming. But by all appearances, their corporate culture has not and does not understand gaming.

There are obvious things they could do to promote mid-level gaming without pursuing hardcore gamers and their $600 GPUs.

* Allow games to require controllers for games (esp. on AppleTV)
* Sell a first-body, Apple-branded gaming controller
* Have a consistent attitude towards courting gaming companies and promoting games year after year with these policies.
 

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My wife has informed me that the 8GB iMac is inadequate. Memory pressure is red. Adobe software gets sluggish.

My guess is that either
A) All the reviews extolling how 8GB is enough for high-end work were actually specific to mono-tasking with a single application and not actually applicable to professional work using multiple tools

or

B) Adobe software has serious memory leaks on M1 that’s crushing its performance.

My feeling is my wife feels her 2012 i5 27” iMac from 2012 worked better than the 2021 M1 24” iMac. So I’m leaning towards Adobe software being kinda garbage still on the M1. But I don’t know; it might be the “you don’t need RAM” reviews were wrong in a way I didn’t understand and were wrong for her use. I should have bought the 16 GB version. But I didn’t want to waste $200 on something that by all accounts was not needed. But all accounts are wrong.

Regardless, I might be selling a 24” iMac for a loss in order to upgrade the RAM by buying a whole new imac. Which is a good reminder for me of why I‘m very ambivalent towards Apple’s non-upgradeable memory design for actual computers.
 

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Sorry to hear that, Dave. It sounds like it's been a very frustrating experience for everyone involved.

I had a chat with our desktop tech yesterday as I was handing off my previous Intel iMac for repurposing and he asked if I had gotten an M1 model as a replacement. So I mentioned some of the concerns and experiences voiced in this thread, and why the replacement had continued with the Intel model.
 

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Sorry to hear that, Dave. It sounds like it's been a very frustrating experience for everyone involved.

I had a chat with our desktop tech yesterday as I was handing off my previous Intel iMac for repurposing and he asked if I had gotten an M1 model as a replacement. So I mentioned some of the concerns and experiences voiced in this thread, and why the replacement had continued with the Intel model.

It's frustrating for me because I did lots of research and made I thought the smart choice that would work well and save some money. So it's my error.

And my wife is annoyed that I bought 8GB instead of 16GB that her previous Intel Mac had and it worked just fine.

Rebooting helps her iMac's performance. So I think there are memory leak or management problems with Adobe's Creative Cloud and/or M1 macOS. Which does nothing to help right now.

It seems our experience is very much in the minority. But I've seen few or none reviews from actual creative professionals who discuss real workflows with multiple applications running simultaneously all day, every day, for weeks on end, using GB's of RAM, and sitting in VM.
 

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Personally for her work I’d wait till the spring 2022 event at this point whenever that is. If you can tough out 3ish months it might be wise to do the upgrade to m2 line. And I’d do a Genius Bar visit in the short term because something seems wrong with your unit that isn’t meshing with similar reported results.
 

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We talked more about it and she’s probably going to wait until the iMac Pros come out, hopefully spring 2022. She can decide if / how to change computers then.
 

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The M1 line is a fantastic processor family. RAM is a completely separate issue and should be sized according to the workload you plan to run. For best results it should all fit in memory and avoid any swapping. I had a 64 GB Intel Mac Book Pro and what I was doing on it required lots of memory. When I upgraded to the new M1 Pro Max Mac Book Pro I got the same 64 GB memory configuration and I am glad I did because the same workload on that required just about as much memory.
 

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In the short term, I’m going to ask my wife if she’ll try changing her workflow to learn how it affects the experience. Instead of loading MS Office suite and Quickbooks and the entire Adobe CC suite, just run the applications she’s using (which is mainly the Adobe and Safari).

I also need to understand if her iMac actually feels no faster than her almost-10 year old iMac. I think that she‘s never really been CPU limited and she’s a normal person so doesn’t notice launch times or hard disk thrashing from swapping and so isn’t perceiving the incredible speed boost. But if for real this computer isn’t faster than her old iMac, it’s broken and needs replacement.

Going in 2022, I can see buying her a 32GB iMac Pro. Regardless of reasons, the M1 isn’t as memory effective as I was given to believe from the past year’s reviews. And since this computer will need to last 5-10 years, it’s now looking smarter to over-buy than under-buy on RAM.

Selling the 24” imac at a loss next year may just be CDB, as Sam likes to say. Or maybe I replace my 27” 2019 intel imac with it? The step down from 27” to 24” would be an adjustment for me. But as a cheap upgrade might be the smart money in our situation.
 

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In the short term, I’m going to ask my wife if she’ll try changing her workflow to learn how it affects the experience. Instead of loading MS Office suite and Quickbooks and the entire Adobe CC suite, just run the applications she’s using (which is mainly the Adobe and Safari).

I also need to understand if her iMac actually feels no faster than her almost-10 year old iMac. I think that she‘s never really been CPU limited and she’s a normal person so doesn’t notice launch times or hard disk thrashing from swapping and so isn’t perceiving the incredible speed boost. But if for real this computer isn’t faster than her old iMac, it’s broken and needs replacement.

Going in 2022, I can see buying her a 32GB iMac Pro. Regardless of reasons, the M1 isn’t as memory effective as I was given to believe from the past year’s reviews. And since this computer will need to last 5-10 years, it’s now looking smarter to over-buy than under-buy on RAM.

Selling the 24” imac at a loss next year may just be CDB, as Sam likes to say. Or maybe I replace my 27” 2019 intel imac with it? The step down from 27” to 24” would be an adjustment for me. But as a cheap upgrade might be the smart money in our situation.
Honestly, this is Apple's fault for even selling an 8GB machine in 2021. There's really no excuse for it. Especially given how memory hungry browser tabs can be these days, it just feels like a really dumb decision to lower their BOM cost a bit. I don't care how efficient the OS is, you don't control every piece of code that runs on the box and will ultimately always have bad actors.

The price apple pays for an 8GB memory chip vs 16GB is probably ~$25 less at their volumes. They could just make the 16GB the lowest model and avoid a ton of stupid complaints. Crazy we are even having this discussion.
 

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Honestly, this is Apple's fault for even selling an 8GB machine in 2021. There's really no excuse for it. Especially given how memory hungry browser tabs can be these days, it just feels like a really dumb decision to lower their BOM cost a bit. I don't care how efficient the OS is, you don't control every piece of code that runs on the box and will ultimately always have bad actors.

The price apple pays for an 8GB memory chip vs 16GB is probably ~$25 less at their volumes. They could just make the 16GB the lowest model and avoid a ton of stupid complaints. Crazy we are even having this discussion.

Yeah, one thing if memory can be easily upgraded, especially in a desktop machine, but not in this case...

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