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Apple Maps: Steve Jobs must be rolling over in his grave

Discussion in 'Mobile Phones / Entertainment' started by Hanson, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. Sam Posten

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    "Most" users on unlimited plans? I doubt that very very much. I would like to see numbers to back that up.
    Anyway, Apple are now "Aware" that the App Store process sucks by the logic the maps stuff puts forth:
    http://openradar.appspot.com/radar?id=2145402
     
  2. Hanson

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    Sam, the new bucket data plans were only unveiled in August. Not sure why you find it hard to believe that most users with unlimited plans haven't switched over. I'm sure most users with unlimited plans don't want to switch over.
     
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    You can't keep whatever grandfathered "unlimited" plans w/ a new iPhone anyway, no? OR can you keep that by keeping your old SIM card (for non-Verizon carriers)? IIRC, Verizon also killed that before they started carrying the iPhone at all, no?

    Both V and AT&T switched to their current data plan rates (or something very similar) well before they switched to their current shared data (plus unlimited talk/text) model.

    _Man_
     
  4. Hanson

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    All grandfathered unlimited plans can be carried over to the iPhone 5 on Verizon & AT&T.
     
  5. Hanson

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    A bit old newswise, but the Maps fiasco is bigger than the sunshine pumpers will admit:

    http://gigaom.com/mobile/data-showing-most-people-dumping-ios-maps-seems-legit/



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    I don't know the rate of iOS5 adoption, but it looks like a lot of users don't want to upgrade to iOS6:

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/05/after-early-boom-new-numbers-suggest-ios-6-adoption-may-be-reaching-a-plateau/



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  6. Sam Posten

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    AT&T hasn't offered unlimited Data for a long time now and has capped unlimited since March 1. Affecting 17 million people at that time.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203986604577255532947217336.html
    And your data may be out of date. Or this survey is off.
    http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/10/survey-says-iphone-5-owners-not-bothered-by-ios-6-mapsare-you/
     
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    AT&T and Verizon never truly offered unlimited data, even when it was billed as unlimited data, ie they called their plans unlimited but actually had defined caps and throttling. Verizon was still calling its data plan unlimited even though it had a hard cap.

    I believe the AT&T plans before August were still considered "unlimited". Otherwise, there would be no reason to institute throttling after 3GB.

    As for the survey, they surveyed people who owned an iPhone 5 "in September" which means about a week or even less ownership. That's a seriously flawed sample size don't you think? It took two weeks before Maps steered Dave F the wrong way. Once it happens that first time, you really rethink your opinion on the issue.

    Note too that this was a survey primarily of US users. The Maps aren't as bad in the US as they are in Europe and Asia, the two exact places where Android is beating the pants off of iPhone.
     
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    I am currently using an iPhone 4 and plan to switch to an Android phone soon. That being said, the "average Joe" users I know that have purchased an Android phone seem lost when using it. They frequently can't figure out or remember how to use various features. The same users, or users with similar levels of experience, seem to "get" the iPhone user interface and use it closer to its full potential.

    Granted, this is a generalization based on my VERY limited experience with a handful of people. However, if a person with limited computer expertise and no smart phone experience asks me what phone they should get, I will tell them to go a store and play around with the phones but that I believe they will most likely to be far more satisfied with an iPhone.

    Okay, now feel free to tell me I am wrong, everyone else does.

    -Keith
     
  9. Hanson

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    The biggest difference between Android and iPhone for average users is that the iPhone launcher comes out of the box ready to go, with all the apps you need on the first page. I am continually shocked by how poorly the Android OEMs arrange the home screens. Ugly wallpapers, huge, ugly clocks, and odd placement of app shortcuts. Some of the apps that should be front and center, like the Play Store, Maps, and email aren't on the main home screen depending on the OEM. Huge, useless widgets take up unnecessary space all over the home screens. Whenever someone shows me their new phone, the first thing I do is delete their widgets and swap the clock for something smaller that allows for more icons on the screen. I find that a lot of people don't even realize they can delete them.

    If the home screen wasn't so chaotic out of the box, it would result in a better experience for end users.
     
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    What kills me about most "smart phone" users...
    They can get Angry Birds and Words with Friends to work in 20 minutes...
    Then you find them writing notes on post it for doctors/vet/dinner appts. and I look at them and ask "Why don't you just add that to your calendar?"
    The response...
    "Well, how do I do that?"
    :rolleyes: (wish we had a "banging head" emoticon)
    The "saddest misuse"...rather "non-use" of a smartphone...
    My cousins husband is a doctor. He drives from hospital to hospital(cancer specialist and is "primary" for three hospitals) all week long. Easily drives 1500 miles a week. He kept a paper "travel log" till I showed him there were a BUNCH of apps on the Android market for GPS tracking/expense. Now his phone(when he taps the icon on the screen) tracks his distance/time etc and AUTOMATICALLY once a week sends the info to his home computer via Bluetooth. Downloaded the same program to the PC and Droid. Now what took him 2 hours a week to figure out, is done automatically with no input. It took all of 10 minutes to set the app up in the phone. Another 5 minutes to set it up in the PC...
     
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    Not an emoticon but I've seen this used a lot:
     
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    I can assure you that is not even remotely close to true, at least on aT&T, from personal experience over multiple years.
     
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    Nailed it. That and the browser being awkward and jerky on all the ones I have used inc. Nexus 7 and FireHD turn me off the most.
     
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    I may be unusual, but I don't have docks everywhere and don't need many replacement adapters. And going Android would need new adapters to make it work with my car system.
    For me it's not a sunk-cost fallacy (spending more money to maybe accomplish something due to money already spent)
    I have Lock-in :) It's real cost: I have a system that works and requires little future spending or effort. Switching to Android means spending all that cost again to get back to where I am, and spending lots new effort to get it working to where I am.
     
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    Stipulating my biases, experience...
    Apple store demo of iPhone: it makes sense. Interesting and intelligible set of apps on a couple of screens. Attractive wallpaper, everything is easy to read. All the key apps have demo data (photos, emails, calendar entries) to play with. The demo is a marvel to pay with and sells itself.
    Go to BestBuy. The devices don't work. Full Stop. Plastic mock ups. Complete fail.
    Ok, go to Verizon or AT&T instead. What a mess. Garish, terrible wallpaper making the phone difficult to use: can't hardly read text or icons. Many screens of apps or widgets or ??? Scattershot across them. No useful demo data. Extras, like S Pen don't work. Even the security tether is shorter and tighter than at the apple store. The demo is off putting and actually sells the iPhone. I don't know why Android phone sellers create (or allow?) their devices to be displayed so atrociously.
    This is salesmanship and not necessarily the same as the real device in daily use. And from conversations here, i wanted to try the s3 and see if i need to switch to get a profoundly better device. But, within what i can actually try, Android remains WalMart to Apple's...well..Apple.
     
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    I look at it from this view every year.
    It's been argued that Apple was never leading the hardware specs race (that's been and remains the view from the hardcore Android side for several years) in that sense, this isn't a point: Sheeple inexplicably pay too much for too little at Apple Stores. They have for five years a dn continue to do so. Apple didn't and doesn't need to be the best to get Sheeple money. :)
    And Apple yo-yos forward and behind the lead capabilities. But the core argument has been best useful system. This hasn't changed.
    And even now, it feels like the iPhone is the best all around device, software, hardware, simplicity, and total ecosystem.
    But everyone is catching up. And with the various little glitches (maps,iCloud, Siri,camera) do they start falling behind as best total solution?
    I don't think so. Not yet. But it's something I watch for.
     
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    They had 15 years to get it right on the desktop. They never did. I don't think it is possible to, I think that the level of flexibility they are committed to prevents a 'tastemaker' or CE-NO from coming into the ecosystem and tossing out all the cruft that makes it too hard to get a consistent experience. The closest you can hope for is a fork like Fire coming along that does so. Fire and Vita have their own UI challenges and deficiencies now tho, so, that that for what it's worth.
     
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2012/10/12/for-some-apple-map-app-fail-a-crisis-not-a-joke/
    The article speaks for itself.
     
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    Astoundingly pathetic on the part of Apple. That example is no mere inconvenience.
     
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    I'm afraid, without Jobs, Apple is dead in the water, I say within two decades.

    Jobs was like the anti-obvious thinker. Like when everyone think they are so smart and it's time to do the obvious thing, he would have 520 arguments about why it's all the wrong move.

    Without him, they are f--ked. It's just a countdown now.

    According to the new Apple map, my old building was in a forest. I'm going to check where my new house is. I suspect it's in the place of Domino's Pizza, 500m away.
     

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