Apollo 13 re-release

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  1. Mike Loiterman

    Mike Loiterman Stunt Coordinator

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    I was in Circuit City today and they were showing Apollo 13 on one of their Hitachi TVs.

    To put it bluntly, the picture looked horrible. I figured it was becuase of their eqipment, so I went home to check it out on my steup.

    Although it looked much better at home, the picture was still extremely soft. I was really surprised. I guess the benchmarks I'm comparing it to are much newer transfers, but I thought this transfer was supposed to be excellent. For comparisons sake, I watched The Others and ET the night before they were fantastic. StarWars ATOC was stunnigly perfect. Almost as good as HDTV.

    I don't know what version they were showing at the store, but I'm looking at the DTS version. I know that there are several verisons available.

    Long story short, does anyone else feel this way? Are there any plans to release a disc with an updated transfer?
     
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    The DTS version of Apollo 13 has, well, a terrible picture. So does the DTS version of Dragonheart. Looks like way too much high pass filtering going on.

    Can't speak about the DD versions, as I have never watched them.
     
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    I have the DD version. I can check the picture out tomorrow.
     
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    The DD version DOES look better than the DTS version. I did many comparisons of several scenes with both discs on my set-up. I ended up selling the DTS version and keeping the DD.

    The DD version has a sharper picture that does exhibit more detail.

    Some of Universals early DTS releases had a softer look. (Waterworld is the same way I have heard.)

    For todays standards, I would rate Apollo 13 DD at about a "B" grade at the most. Of course, it was a solid "A" or "A+" a few years ago.
     
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    The softer picture is probably due to the DTS tracks being full bitrate. Even if you omit all the extras, longer films(like Apollo 13 and Waterworld) are bound to have limited room for video...
     
  6. Mike Loiterman

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    Ok...good I'm not crazy!

    Now, what about a re-release?
     
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  8. Mike Loiterman

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    Totally agree about Scarface.

    Hrm...so is the consensus that the DD version of A13 looks noticeably better? I had the DD version and sold it to get the DTS! At the time I only had a Wega 36 TV, so the difference, was not noticeable. Now I have a 65" Mits Diamond Big Screen. BIG difference! It seems that a weak DVD will always show its ture colors on a big screen.
     
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    Yes, the display size and quality makes all the difference. My TV is 61"; I'm sure on a smaller display the differences are less noticbale.

    Circuit City has the DD version for 12.99 this week.
     
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    The current DVD is very good, IMHO. Decent presentation, with a good doc, and multiple commentaries.

    My favorite unadvertised feature on this DVD is the menu: The film's entire musical score is isolated under the main menu screen. You can advance the tracks, like an audio CD, by pushing the chapter advance button on your remote. It's one of James Horner's best.

    Enjoy!
     
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    I work at the IMAX and we are getting Apollo 13 this summer....so a re-release seems quite possible in the near future.
     
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    I also saw Apollo 13 demoed once at Circuit City. I thought a possible cause for the problem was that they had the DVD player set up wrong and were sending a 4:3 signal to the 16:9 TV and then zooming in on it... I own the DTS version and I always thought it looked okay on my 30" fishbowl TV set.

    I'm very close to buying the Dolby Digital one for the isolated score, since the price went down on the DD DVD and the soundtrack album has dialog all over it. I'm far from a fan of James Horner, but Apollo 13 'encompasses' his other work so well. [​IMG]
     
  13. Mike Loiterman

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    Love the music. Might even buy the CD.

    Thats good news, I suppose, about the IMAX showing.
     
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    After a quick look at the discs, these are the figures I got:

    Dolby Digital
    combined soundtracks (448kbps x 3, 2 x 96kbps) = 1536kbps
    Average title (2:19:35) bit-rate = 5.82Mbps
    Average title bit-rate minus audio = 4.284Mbps

    DTS
    combined soundtracks (1509kbps x 1, 1 x 192kbps) = 1701kbps
    Average title (2:19:35) bit-rate = 7.41Mbps
    Average title bit-rate minus audio = 5.709Mbps

    [​IMG]

    Screen cap comparison (156KB)

    The Dolby version has more detail and a lot more noise.

    Adam
     
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    I stand corrected. So what do you think happened? Why would they filter the picture if the bitrate is higher?
     
  18. Adam Barratt

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    Good question, but I really have no idea. Looking at the data consumption of the soundtracks on both discs, both the DTS and Dolby Digital versions certainly could easily have accommodated the same transfer.

    Adam
     
  19. Mike Loiterman

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    Adam:

    Where did you find that graph? Its obviously from the Forum here, but was that something the was already done, or can you generate those graphs on the fly?
     
  20. Juan C

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    Ä new release is coming to France, transferred from the IMAX version.
     

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