Apocalypse Now :: Redux [R2] / 2.00:1 - Why?

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  1. Micky Kemp

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    If this questioned has been posted here before please forgive me for I haven't been here for a while.

    I recently purchased Apocalypse Now :: Redux in the UK and I couldn't wait to watch it when I got home. Since I missed it at the cinema I thought I'd look at the trailer on the DVD and you wouldn't believe my joy when it was presented in 2.35:1. But to my horror the actual film itself on the DVD is presented in 2.00:1

    It can't be that the cinematographer and Coppola think that this is the ideal aspect ratio for DVD?

    slightly cheesed off,

    Micky
     
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    It can't be that the cinematographer and Coppola think that this is the ideal aspect ratio for DVD?

    They do.
     
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    Yeah, it's a git. I grabbed the chance to watch this OAR when the Prince Charles, Leicester Sq showed it for £3 at Easter.
     
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    What are the bonus features on the R2 disc?
     
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    What are the bonus features on the R2 disc?
    the trailer [​IMG]
     
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    2:1 is the intended ratio by Coppola and Sitorro (sic?) on home video.
     
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    Here is some info from: American Zoetrope
     
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    And, if your widescreen TV has a significant amount of overscan, as most widescreen TV's do, you're actually seeing an image closer to 1.85:1.[​IMG]
     
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    Hasn't he ever heard of widescreen TV's??

    ~ John
     
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    Hasn't he ever heard of widescreen TV's??
    "The aspect ratio 2.0:1 was chosen by the cinematographer, Vittorio Storaro, who supervised every aspect of this film transfer. Storaro believes that for the purpose of TV transfer, it is better to crop (slightly) the extreme left/right edges of the originally photographed frame and allow for a taller picture on both conventional and 16:9 TV monitors, because the video presentation will have more vertical resolution and detail and will be more impactful."
    What does this mean? Well, obviously Storaro doesn't think 16:9 sets have a high enough resolution either. I assume we will see a full 2.35:1 transfer when HDTV sets become the norm, although Storaro has issues with HDTV as well (he wants it to be 2:1 instead of 16:9 -- not bloody likely).
     
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    Until last week, I'd never seen Apocalypse Now. I'd read a lot about the framing issues, however, and even though I'm a real OAR nut, it just didn't bother me. I'd have loved to have AN presented at its full 2.35:1 aspect ratio, but 2:1 isn't so bad and if it's good enough for the director and cinematogropher, then it's good enough for me!
    Well, now that I've finally seen AN, I've changed my mind. I watched Paramount's original AN DVD, and the framing just doesn't look right. It's ugly, awkward, and cramped. It's not as bad as a traditional pan and scan transfer of course, but it's quite enough to be distracting and off-putting.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The 2.35:1 doesn't look right and is cramped? How can this be when the film was composed for that aspect ratio and there's .35 more space on the sides?
     
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    OK, then I completely agree. Personally, I think the narrower aspect ratio also robs the film of much of its panoramic sweep and grandeur. Storaro may be a great cinematographer, but as far as this issue is concerned, he's totally lost it IMNSHO.
     
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    Damin is correct, the original disc and the Redux disc both have the same framing. My previous post covers that a little:

     

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