Anyone seen this sub?

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  1. Will-Layfield

    Will-Layfield Stunt Coordinator

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    I know were not supposed to start multiple threads about DIY projects but I was wondering if anyone has seen this sub at PE before. (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=299-665) I did a search(to see if it has been talked about) and many DVC subs came up but none that came up in the pictures of the subs was this sub. I was going to go with an atlas 15" But this sub has 2 mm more xmax, much higher rms..... is the fs too high? It has 37hz fs. 21 hz for the atlas. Does that mean it won't play below those frequencies or it is not safe for the sub below those frequencies? I know fs plays apart in dictating how low a sub can go I just don't know how it determines it.
     
  2. JimPeitersen

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    It is an OEM sub for the Kove company (car audio specialists). This sub is not suited for use in any type of alignment that would be acceptable for Home use. The Atlas/Avalanche subs are exceptional values. You can also look at the subs at OAudio, Soundsplinter, and Acoustic Elegance.
    JP
     
  3. Geoff L

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    It could be used, but no matter the alignment you'ed be disapponited with it lower Freq production... Car audio, now thats a different thing...

    Much better HT suited woofers (as Jim already pointed out), "are available".

    Wish John J. of former well known Stryke Audio would release some more info on what he has coming down the pipe.

    Elemental Designs also has some drivers that work for HT and operate similar to Chads=Ascendant Audio (driver design thinking). Been ED's thinking from the start. That being, less power generaly needed/required for given spl/output.

    BUT, Chads drivers are just plain hard to beat from a value/performance price point..!

    Cheers
    Geoff ¥
     
  4. Mattak

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    ED actually has thinking involved with their drivers? That's news to me [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  5. Geoff L

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    Yah, just a bunch of young drunks working at a small CO that have lasted in a very competitive industry for well over 3 years now.

    Humm, must be the Budwiser lunch breaks, and napkin design drawings.[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  6. Geoff L

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    Some ED guys getting ready to play around with a little toy music/HT sub they threw together..

    Passive Pentagon sub:
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    10's are used in this.
    Ten of them.
    Sealed
    MDF with bisket joints
    Cabinet volume 6.3-cf^³ less drivers
    Cab Q =.595
    Driver/s volume .70-cf^³
    Power was a Behringer-(sp) 2500 Pro Amp ain't enough, shuts down, need more power but was what they had on hand.

    Carry in **HERE**.

    Up close **HERE**

    I don't have any more info on the sub itself, so please don't ask. If & when more info on it comes about like (in room FR), test room size, power handeling, Graphs, Eq-ing, or anything else that comes about, I'll pass it on.

    I apoligize for steping in on Wills driver thread..
    Thought some might find the sub cabinet (interesting at least).

    Cheers
    Geoff
     
  7. Mark Seaton

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    Actually, the form is called a dodecahedron. Often abbreviated as a "dodec."

    On a good note it won't move or shake at all, but that looks like a really small box for that many 10" woofers. I would expect the need for some serious EQ to get it down low.
     
  8. Mattak

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    Yeah, it's a toss up between which is worse: ED's cult following, or ED's product and support credibility. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they really were drunk at the job [​IMG]
     
  9. Geoff L

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    Hi Mark:

    My "Bad",, you are so very correct, like always.!!! [​IMG]
    It's even called the (Dodecha-2), how I missed it, well don't know.

    Got Pentagon on the brain for some reason! :b

    Total cab volume (with drivers installed) is 5.6-cf^³ with no fill. Don't know "if" or how much fill might be used, was not mentioned. Cab Q in "above post" is (with out fill).

    Yup, no dancing with this one and quite strong with that type cab design.

    I'm sure it will need some *serious* Eq-ing, even with the "best possible room gain" to get down low at all.

    I don't think their looking for that much extension, (like we do), but rather just tight and loud. No mention of any LT in line even tho they where testing with sines down to 10Hz. [​IMG]

    Their older 10" Kx's would have gotten down "allot lower", but with a higher Cab Q before Eq-ing, this assuming the same Cab-cf^³ and box design...

    They have another Black Dodecha-1 cabinet with 2-15's in it and a 1000-watt PE plate amp on it. That one has a cab volume of 5.6-cf^³, I belive.

    Regards
    Geoff
     
  10. Geoff L

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    Mattak

    So have you used any of their drivers for anything, (car or home) and if so which driver and for what.

    Im NO ED cult follower, tho have used a few of their drivers along with BP, Adire, Stryke, PE, SVS, TB, GR-Research, & the list goes on, for different applicatons.

    Curious what your beef is with them and why.???
    It seems you do not like either their drivers, the company, or the maybe the owner period. At least from your posts in this thread it would appear that way..

    You have a right to your opinon, but what gives with your apparent distaste for ED.

    I certainly DO NOT consider their drivers to be the end all of woofers by any means..!!! As far as ED service goes, I've never had a proplem one..! [​IMG]

    Regards
    Geoff
     
  11. Mattak

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    Sorry Geoff, I came off a little strong. Personally, no, I haven't used their drivers, but I haven't owned a Daewoo either :b I'm a member of various boards, though, and have seen enough bs from ED to never touch one of their products (at least not until they become stable enough to make it worth the risk). I hear their current lines are alright, although I've heard some bad stories about their sound deadener (both liquid and mat). You just don't see anywhere the level of dissatisfaction from Adire, RE, AA, or any other "high end" internet distributor as you do from ED. I've also seen Ben and other employees on boards and just wasn't very impressed by their demeanor. Did you ever see Ben selling ED's "b-stock" drivers? It was laughable.
     
  12. Geoff L

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    Hi Mattak

    Thanks for clearing up where you were coming from.!

    Not being a ED cult geek, I have not read or seen most of the stuff you mention. My dealings with Ben/owner, and Eric who dose not work for ED anymore, were always excellent.

    The forum is a joke-fess and enough BS by members being tossed around that I rarely waste my time going their. IMO-->A bunch of young snots talking crap 24-7, again-->IMO. Not all people that post their are like that, but there is so much crap to wade threw I find it hard to spend anytime their. Not to mention it seems very difficult to find information you might want.

    I did hear of some B-stock drivers being sold. Built from left over parts while they where changing vedors for certain driver parts. This due to them not being dependable along with the new line change coming in. As to how it was done (the selling & what was sold) the details I know not of..

    Anyways, cool & I better understand your ED pokes/comments.. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    At least TC-Sounds is envolved with their drivers and they are Dumaxed.
    At least the ones I've owned.

    As far as their sound killer/deadener and other products/componants, don't know squat. Been out of the some what serious SQ car audio thing for at least 10-years. Never have looked into any of ED's, or anybodys elses stuff for that matter.
    Woofers are the only thing "I usualy look at or into", by most CO's.


    Very sorry Will, seems I sent your thread way off course. I again apoligize..:b

    Cheers
    Geoff
     
  13. Rory Buszka

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    The final AE Speakers web site is in the works. It is really coming along, and so are the AV12 woofers - soon. John said something about May, and it's May now.
     

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