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Anyone gone mirrorless?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Sam Posten, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. Sam Posten

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    Olympus update: Jeepers!
    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-story-behind-the-olympus-scandal-02162012.html
     
  2. Scott Merryfield

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    Thanks for the link to the article, Sam. That is a fascinating story. Woodford's quote in the last line of the article says it all -- “I was ready to run a health-care and consumer electronics company,” he says. “I had no idea I was walking into a John Grisham novel.”
     
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    Fascinating story. Thanks for posting it Sam.
     
  4. Sam Posten

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    My NEX-7 is for sale if anyone is interested ;) I barely use it.
    Cause the NEX-5n is so good!
    It remains my favorite little cam for walkabouts and ESPECIALLY concerts.
    You can't use it expecting to make ultra sharp images every time but with the right lighting and a little luck you can make some very nice concert pics. And they never bat an eye at it thinking it's a DSLR...
    Yesterday at the Orion Festival I was literally 8 rows deep in the middle of a surging crowd, people were moshing it up, crowd surfing and generally going insane. Then the lead singer of Cage The Elephant decided he was going to join in!
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    Metallica I was a little too far back to get any real details, but the lasers and showmanship were amazing!
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    The most brutal picture I've ever taken =)
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    Ouchie.
     
  6. Scott Merryfield

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    Ouch, that must've hurt!
     
  7. Sam Posten

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    Hehe I bet it did!
     
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    Canon's mirrorless is official.
    The good: 1.5x crop
    The bad: $800
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/canon/announcements/canons-first-mirrorless-camera-eos-m
    Dumbasses....
     
  9. Scott Merryfield

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    Also add to the bad -- no electronic viewfinder, either built-in or available as as add-on. I hate using a rear LCD screen to compose a shot.
    Rumors are that there will be a follow-up "advanced" model down the road that may have an EVF and some buttons for easier manual control.
    I still do not have much interest in a mirrorless camera, even though this one will take my Canon lenses (with a $200 adapter). I may eventually pick up Canon's new 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens, though, for a more compact setup when I want to travel light. It's only $200. The lens doesn't stick out much more than the body cap.
     
  10. Sam Posten

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    Please don't let it be $3000
    Please don't let it be $3000
    Please don't let it be $3000
    Please don't let it be $3000
    http://www.petapixel.com/2012/08/17/sony-rumored-to-be-working-on-a-full-frame-mirrorless-nex-camera/
     
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    Welp no full frame and no NEX-7 replacement announced today:
    http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/29/3276423/sony-nex-5r-mirrorless-camera
    Nice update to the 5 series tho. Love mine, not sure if I will upgrade or not.
    I gotta get my mint NEX-7 sold off tho before its replacement is out.
     
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    I think I must be missing a point here. To my simple mind, the mirrorless systems aren't compact enough, and IMHO you might just as well have a full sized DSLR. I'm assuming that the uptakers of mirrorless systems must find the space saving beneficial, however? Or is there more to this than slight space saving?
    I ask this because at the moment I have a couple of P&S cameras for times when I cannot have my full kit with me (a Leica D-Lux and a Panasonic TZ30) and a Canon EOS 650 with wide angle, telephoto and kit lenses (all Canon). I've noticed there's a new mirrorless Canon that can take my EFS lenses. Is it worth considering, or (as I don't personally notice a big space saving) should I stick with my 650?
     
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    I am not that impressed with Canon's initial mirrorless offering. While the camera will handle EOS lenses, it doesn't have a viewfinder, which would be a deal-killer for me.
    Personally, if you wanted something compact and wanted to stick with Canon, I would buy their new pancake EF 40mm f/2.8 lens @ $200 and mount it to your dSLR before buying a Canon "M" Series. Or, you could consider the Powershot GX1, which has a fixed lens and a sensor larger than the 4/3rds systems.
     
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    the Canon and Nikon systems suck. Try a Nex. Trust me.
     
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    Sans mirror a camera can only have a viewfinder based on a digital display (tiny LCD monitor, or so), or on a separate optical system/pathway.

    Would either be acceptable to you in stead?


    For me it wouldn't.


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    For this type of camera, it would be much better than trying to compose a shot using the rear LCD screen. Being an old 35mm film shooter, I am used to anchoring the camera against my head for stability. I've always hated trying to compose a shot holding a camera away from my body with a point & shoot digital camera.
    However, as I've said before in this thread, I would rather put a small, lightweight prime lens on my dSLR than use any of these mirrorless bodies for times I want something more portable.
     
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    Ditto!

    Although, before I got the D700, I had the Nikon Coolpix 4500 for a while (still own it, but it's no longer in practical use) and the swaying part of the body (with the monitor on it) was .... acceptable.

    I also own a Nikon D5000, which has an articulating monitor - and it's a good second option. (Certainly in some special cases, BTW.)


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    The size and weight difference between even a 5000 (which I used to own!) and a nex is enormous. And good luck getting a 5000 into many sporting or concert events where the NEX or other mirrorless guys slip right in.
     
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    Eurrgh, no! Good point.
    Thanks for the other comments on my post. I think I'll stick with my current EOS system. I mainly use it for architectural photography, and so weight etc aren't usually an issue.
     
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    For sporting events, I would want the performance of a dSLR and a good telephoto lens if I was in a position where I could get good action shots. If that's not possible, then I would just be taking shots of the crowd, and my wife's small point & shoot would work fine for that -- and it will fit in any pocket, while most mirrorless cameras will not.
    For example, I have no problem getting my dSLR into our local hockey arena to shoot the Ontario Hockey League games, and our seats are close enough that I can get some decent shots. However, when we go to a University of Michigan football game, there is no way I'm getting close enough to get any action shots with anything that will be allowed into the stadium. I have taken the p&s to get shots of the stadium during its renovation phase, but usually go sans camera and just enjoy watching the game.
    I know these cameras can meet a need for some people, but they are not for me right now.
     

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