Any reviews yet on Exodus?

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  1. Dennis Nicholls

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    MGM's bringing out Exodus a week from today. Have any review copies filtered down into the hands of reviewers? Half the retail sites list it as anamorphic, the other half as non-anamorphic. I'd like to hear how the video looks from someone.

    IMDB gives the film technical specs. as:

    Film negative format 65 mm
    Cinematographic process Super Panavision 70
    Aspect ratio 2.20 : 1

    This is going to be regrettable if it's not in anamorphic format on the DVD.
     
  2. Dennis Nicholls

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    Let's try this again. Doesn't anyone want to see Sal Mineo's greatest acting?
     
  3. Randy A Salas

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    For some reason, MGM didn't send this title out automatically to reviewers as it did with, say, Casino Royale and The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming, which are also coming out Tuesday and were sent to reviewers weeks ago. I had to have MGM's PR firm special-order my copy so I could write about it on Tuesday. I'm still waiting.
     
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    Though I will probably buy this one even if it is not anamorphic (breaking a critical rule) I am also anxiously awaiting some word on this title. The Exodus theme music is one of the first I can remember when I was young.

    Joel
     
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    Marvelous, epic story. Haunting score. An even better novel by Leon Uris.

    Much like the lastest incarnation of The Count of Monte Cristo, this film should be viewed not as a companion to the excellent novel, but an autonomous work to be enjoyed for performances by Paul Newman, Eva Marie Saint (what happened to beauty like this...nowhere to be found like this in our contemporaries), and Sal Mineo. And the haunting score. Such a haunting score.

    Nice to see this receive some attention. For those who have not seen this or read the book...watch the film first. You'll forget it upon completion of the novel.
     
  6. Gordon McMurphy

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    I just did a long search on the Net for reviews of the DVD... and found none. Very frustrating. [​IMG]
    This DVD should have been a 2 disc Special Edition with DD5.1, documetary, commentary, isolated score in 5.1 etc. Why MGM put it out as a 1 disc catalogue title with what may be a non-anamorphic transfer and only DD2.0 stereo is beyond me.
    It's a pity MGM didn't sell this one to Warner, as I'm sure they would have given it a good 2 disc edition.
    Gordy
     
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    Well I have just received this and I am very sorry to say that the picture quality is appalling. It is non-anamorphic and the picture is soft with some of the worst aliasing (a sort of shimmering during movement, particularly during panning)that I have ever seen. Sound quality is very poor as well. It is said to be stereo surround but there is no real spaciousness or depth to it. Considering that this was originally filmed in Super Panavision 70 with 6 track magnetic stereo sound, it is a massive disappointment. MGM should be ashamed to put the film out in this condition.
     
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    Argghhh!!! Them are strong adjectives, Douglas. So I guess we shouldn't be riding the fence on this title, if it's THAT bad.

    I guess I'll have to ride on memories, then. And wait. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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    The sound was recorded live, so 2.0 stereo might be the original mix.
     
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    While it's disappointing that this title did not get the special-edition treatment or even an anamorphic transfer, I wouldn't call it the travesty that Douglas has. I'm viewing it on a 36-inch Sony 4:3 TV, so my setup might be more forgiving than his. For less than $14 shipped (Deep Discount DVD), people who have been longing for this epic on DVD can afford to see for themselves.
     
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    The aliasing problem goes back to the laser release, which was almost unwatchable during sequences involving brick walls and steps and venetian blinds, etc. Sounds as though this is a direct transfer from the laser master.
     
  14. Dennis Nicholls

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    Darn. I'm not liking what I've heard so far. They keep this up and I'll send Fluffy Pumpkin over to beat up on Leo the MGM lion..... :p)

    This should be one of those fabulous 70mm sound and picture releases, restored and transfered to high-def masters. It was made during the "golden age" of epics from the 1950's through the early 1960's (coincidentally the years I was growing up).

    My setup is a 100" diagonal CRT HD front projector that "spits up" on inferior transfers......

    And here I was even shopping for a "Haganah Mauser" to go along with this DVD release.

    For those of you that cherish historical irony and are not gun shy....During WWII many German K98k Mausers were built in the death camps, and all were emblazoned with swastikas. At the end of the war many were abandoned in newly liberated Czechoslovakia. When the Haganah was formed as a nascent army for Israel, they went shopping for guns all over Europe, but only the Czechs would sell them guns in significant quantities. So they sold them these old K98ks, emblazoned with swastikas and many made by slave labor in the death camps. The Haganah rechambered them for the .308 round, stamped the Star of David next to the swastika, and fought for Israeli independence in 1948 with them.
     
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    Exodus is one of those films which some people felt was good in 1960.

    I had originally recalled it as epic, but with virtually each and every actor going off in their own acting styles, and the whole being much less that the sum of the parts.

    The film really wasn't very good when it came out 42 years ago, and has aged about as poorly as any film can.

    Regarding the film elements, without opening the cans, I would hazard a guess that the original negative is no longer printable and totally faded.

    As of 1989 I saw the six track mag master sitting on a shelf at an audio facility in London.

    I would think that whatever the element used for the transfer, it would not be anything of particularly good quality and would certainly be 35mm.

    RAH
     
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    I can't believe that this film is being treated like this by MGM, after so many great transfers from them this year.
    [​IMG]
    After just hearing that Pacific Title have just finished restoring the original 65mm, 30fps camera negative of Around The World In Eighty Days, I was begining to think that the future was looking promising for 65mm origination films... and then this hodge-podge comes out. [​IMG]
    Can't wait to see the transfers for the Bronston epics...
    Gordy
     
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    For Gordon:

    Precisely how did Pacific Title "restore" the original neg of 80 Days?

    RAH
     
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    Here's the info I got on the 80 Days restoration:

    "Our involvement in the restoration process dealt with removing laquer that
    was originally applied to the emulsion side of the negative. At the time,
    it was a way to hide scratches and defects in the emulsion. The process was
    successful at the time, but like all laquer had a certain life expectancy.
    In the case of the film, the laquer yellowed and cracked creating more
    problems.
    There is another solution to the problem (scratched negative) that was
    developed in the late 60's. It is called wet-gating. So once we were able
    to establish the right chemical to remove the laquer without damaging the
    film, the laboratory (CFI) that is making the new interpositive, was able
    to employ the wetgate technique to the negative for the creation of the new
    interpositive."

    Are the main problems with this negative just the scratches and lacquer problem? (I suspect fading, too, but would separations be usuable?)
     
  19. Gordon McMurphy

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    Bob, I wish I knew how, exactly they restored the neg.
    I'm not one to pass the buck, or my case; pound, but it was HTF member "PatrickMcCart" who informed me of the "restoration".
    Patrick? Are you there? :wink:
    I think that he got the info from www.pactitle.com
    I doubt I'll see any 70mm re-issue, even if one is planned, but a DVD release will be most welcome. I guess it would be Warner who would issue the DVD version?
    Sorry I cannot be of more help, Bob. I too would like to know more about what Pacific Title did to the neg...
    Gordy
     
  20. Gordon McMurphy

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    Cheers for the extra info, Patrick! [​IMG]
    I felt a bit cornered when Bob asked about the restoration! [​IMG]
    I too have fears over fading. I look forward to reading about this one and finally seeing it for myself! [​IMG]
    Thanks again, Patrick.
    Gordy
     

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