Any of y'all ever deal blackjack at a casino?

Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Jon_Are, Oct 1, 2003.

  1. Jon_Are

    Jon_Are Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2001
    Messages:
    2,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I always thought this would be a cool way to pick up some extra cash, working part-time as a blackjack dealer.

    Questions:

    *What are the details about the necessary schooling (length, cost, practice time involved, job prospects upon graduation)?

    *What is a typical part-time salary, tips included (I assume there are no benefits)? What sort of living can be made working full-time?

    *How flexible is the scheduling? Could I basically schedule my hours (work, say, four hours on a Friday evening)?



    *What sucks about the work?

    Jon
     
  2. Chris Moe

    Chris Moe Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,087
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I can't give you any practical advice since I have never done it. I can tell you that you probably will not be able to set your own hours and I highly doubt a newcomer will be able to work Friday nights. Friday nights would be reserved for the people who have been there a while or at least have experience, Friday nights are probably the shifts that everyone wants. I would think a newbie would most probably start out working days and maybe the occassional weeknight.
     
  3. Christ Reynolds

    Christ Reynolds Producer

    Joined:
    May 6, 2002
    Messages:
    3,597
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    CJ
    it may not be the same in the states, but my cousin was a blackjack dealer (i almost typed bj dealer) in the uk, and according to his job contract, he couldnt talk about the details of his job, even after his departure.

    CJ
     
  4. GaryP

    GaryP Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2000
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Jon my best friend deals BlackJack at a tribal casino in another state, before that he dealt for a tribal casino locally.

    When he got the job here, he had zero experience, the casino trained him. It was a two week course in which he was paid $5.00/hour. After that, he was put out on the casino floor. However you might have better luck if you could find someone to train you for a couple weeks so you could just walk into a casino and audition. After three years here my buddy made an hourly wage of $13.00 I believe, plus tips. He tells me when the casino he currently works at fully expands, they expect the dealers to average $70,000 per year, with some easliy raking in more than $90K. (that answers your question about the possibilities of doing it full time [​IMG])

    It's hard to answer your quesiton on the possible income, there are a lot of variables (do people like your personality, how busy is your shift, etc...) but suuposedly even the dealers that are on slow shifts still do quite well. Chris is right though, senority will land you the more coveted shifts, but since casinos are 24 hour-a-day operations you could wind up with any kind of shift.

    What sucks about the job? Customers verbally abusing you becuase you just lifed $10K off their hands in 15 minutes. Honestly, my friend says people will throw chips at you (which you can put in the tip jar[​IMG]) Call you names, threaten you, etc.. but the casino hops on an abusive player immediately and gives them the heave-ho.

    He does really enjoy the job though, something new every day. The money and benefits (health, dental, vision, etc...)are usually superb. At the time he got the gig at his current casino they were only hiring experienced dealers, otherwise I'd be out there posting this from my condo, or the laptop in my Ferrari [​IMG]

    Hope this helps,
    Gary
     
  5. Jon_Are

    Jon_Are Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2001
    Messages:
    2,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Anyone know how they divide the tips up? I'm not sure how they would calculate this.

    Also, is it possible to work (very) part-time, say, one day a week?

    My Friday example was just that - an example. I'd probably prefer to work at quieter times, at first.

    Thanks all,

    Jon
     
  6. LewB

    LewB Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2002
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Jon:
    While I have zero experience dealing blackjack, I have all too much experience as a player :b
    Some things I've noticed:

    If you want to work in a casino you better not mind cigarette or cigar smoke. I wish I had a buck for everytime I saw someone almost deliberately blowing smoke in the dealer's face.

    Don't limit yourself to blackjack. I would think that you could do better if you also could deal roulette and craps.

    I think the tips or 'tokes' are picked up or 'mucked' on a shift by shift basis. Not sure if they are divided up based on who was working that shift.
     
  7. Leila Dougan

    Leila Dougan Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2002
    Messages:
    1,352
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I have a friend that worked at a tribal casino for a short while as a black jack dealer. He said the pay sucked (like $5.00/hr), the environment sucked, and the owners didn't care about the employees. Since the casinos are on the reservations, you have to drive at least 20-30 min out of town to get to them so all his money went to gas for his car. He thought it would be fun but it turned out to be another crappy job.

    Of course YMMV.
     
  8. Keith Mickunas

    Keith Mickunas Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 1998
    Messages:
    2,041
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A girl I worked with in KC dealt black jack at one of the local casinos. I believe they provided her training and paid during it, then she worked part time in addition to her regular day job. She enjoyed it, although I never talked to her too much about it to get all the specifics. There's definitely some flexibility to the hours because it never caused her any problems.
     
  9. Chris Lockwood

    Chris Lockwood Producer

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 1999
    Messages:
    3,215
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    > Customers verbally abusing you becuase you just lifed $10K off their hands in 15 minutes.

    That sucks. It's not the dealer's fault you lost. You don't really play against the dealer but a fixed set of rules.
     
  10. Greg*go

    Greg*go Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2002
    Messages:
    941
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A friend of my Dad's has worked at a casino in Atlantic City for many years and talks fairly often about how he pities the dealers. Getting chips thrown at you and threatened are nothing. Spitting on a dealer seems to be at least a monthly thing. But besides the benefits (which everyone that works at the casino gets) the perks are nice too though. He got a great deal on a big screen tv, since they were about to throw it out. If you aren't a people-person, and can't accept the fact that someone is going to blame you for taking their money. On the plus side, they also thank you when they win money. But take a guess what happens more often.
     
  11. Jon_Are

    Jon_Are Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2001
    Messages:
    2,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I can certainly put up with the customer abuse; I have a lot of experience with that at my current job.

    The smoke-filled environment I'm not so thrilled about. I know I wouldn't react well to someone blowing smoke in my face.

    I'd like to get a handle on the salaries, though. Just in the few posts here, it ranges from $5/hour to $90K. I know the pay varies, but that's a helluva difference.

     
  12. Tony Whalen

    Tony Whalen Producer

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2002
    Messages:
    3,150
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Considering the different opinions and experiences, I can only say... Jon...try it out and see. You can always quit if you hate it, right?

    A friend of mine used to deal blackjack here at the local casinos...she reported having fun, and making some decent money. (I wasn't privvy to the EXACT amounts she made...) Training was provided for two weeks, if memory serves...

    I think it just depends on the location of the casino, and the type of clients it caters to...
     
  13. Patrick Sun

    Patrick Sun Studio Mogul

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    38,777
    Likes Received:
    492
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    I don't think I can add fast enough to be a dealer. [​IMG]
     
  14. Tony Whalen

    Tony Whalen Producer

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2002
    Messages:
    3,150
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  15. Shane Bos

    Shane Bos Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2002
    Messages:
    256
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'm working on my ability to count cards. It's coming along pretty well by the end of the shue I can usually bank on if I'll get a low card, high card, or a face card. Adding to 21 is easy it's just calculating the odds on the way there that is tricky.
     
  16. Quincy

    Quincy Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 1999
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  17. Marshall Alsup

    Marshall Alsup Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2001
    Messages:
    497
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  18. Shane Bos

    Shane Bos Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2002
    Messages:
    256
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    yeah most casino's I believe use a 6 deck shue. It just means you have 6 of every card instead of one. not a big deal. Great movie with card counting in it is Rain Man.
     
  19. Tony Whalen

    Tony Whalen Producer

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2002
    Messages:
    3,150
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  20. LewB

    LewB Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2002
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I've gambled in Vegas, A.C. and Connecticut. I haven't seen anything less than a 6 deck shoe anywhere else but Vegas.
    All of them seem to put the cut card about 2 decks in from the back so you are really using 4 or 6 decks and relying on the 'randomness' of the shuffle.
    From what I've read about card counting, you just do your normal +1 or -1, then divide by the number of decks in use. I've thought about giving counting a try, but I'm not looking to get tossed from a casino, which means that they all will most likely have you flagged as a counter. Plus I like to talk to the other players, and there is the 'free' scotch. I stick with the basic strategy and hope for hot streaks, I do a lot of 'hoping' [​IMG]
    In Vegas, you can find 1 deck games on the strip but those are usually $25 minimum per hand. They usually deal 2 hands from the deck, then shuffle. The cool part is that your cards are dealt face down and you scratch the felt with the cards to 'take a hit' No disrespect to the other dealers, but you gotta be good to deal out of your hand and run a game !
     

Share This Page