Any affordable universal player in the near future?

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  1. Charlie B. Ch.

    Charlie B. Ch. Stunt Coordinator

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    Hi, this is my first post. My Sony NS315 just died. I have a Cyberhome 500 as a backup. Is there going to be any affordable (less than $300) DVD player that can play both SACD and DVD-A released in the near future (3-4 months)? My receiver has only one set of 5.1 input connection and, I believe, that 5.1 music must be output only through the 5.1 analog connection due to copyright restriction. Thanks.
     
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    Pioneer announced one for $279 list. It will convert DSD to PCM though on SACD
     
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    Charlie, welcome to the forum as well.
     
  5. Charlie B. Ch.

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    Charlie, in addition to the Pioneer '563A, Zenith will be releasing the DV-318 universal player for around $200 later this year. Currently, your lowest-cost option is the Pioneer Elite DV-45A, which retails for $500.
     
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    Why will this unit convert DSD to PCM?
     
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    Tom- Because it's cheap. [​IMG] The current 45a and 47ai do *not* convert DSD (SACD) to PCM. Both use a Sony chip.
     
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    Didnt Apex release one last year at about 300.00? I heard that the audio wasnt all that good from it.
     
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    thanks for the link justin, very informative. looks like if i am going to make the plunge for a combo player, it will have to be the dv-45 with the icbm. i dont mind spending the extra money, if i know its going to be done right the first time.

    CJ
     
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    Get the Yamaha, when you factor in the ICBM, the extra cables and the chroma bug of puioneer your better off getting the yamaha, or waiting for the denon.
     
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    The Yamaha tested poorly for noise in the S&V review. Might depend on how much audio vs video you're going to watch/listen to. BTW, also some very useful comments on the Pioneers in the latest Perfect Vision (hint: they really liked the video in spite of the chroma bug).

    Also, check out the "upgrade" for Pioneer players here:

    www.tweakaudio.com

    Also, there was some strangeness about the Yamaha's bass management noted here:

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...ghlight=Yamaha

    But if you're going to use an ICBM anyway, probably doesn't matter. [​IMG]
     
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    Justin,

    Good points about the DSD-to-PCM conversion process, and I'm glad you included the diagram. One could also argue that you by converting to PCM, you are losing the benefits of the very high sampling rate of DSD (2.824 MHz), which is attributed to giving SACD a more "analog-like" sound. It's all tied into the simplicity of DSD.


    Devin,

    APEX released the AD-7701 universal player for $300 last year. It was a disaster based on all the reviews I read. As Justin said, it was pulled off the market rather quickly. I heard that it was due to all the performance issues, but I also read that there may have been licensing issues with respect to the high-resolution formats.
     
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    Would there be less degradation for PCM->DSD and using DSD DACs?
     
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    No there wouldn't no matter how you convert it you still have PCM in the end, sure a DSD DAC may do the conversion better, but it will never get better than PCM

    do you follow what i mean?
     
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    Not at all. If the DSD->PCM causes less degradation than DSD->PCM, then wouldn't that be an overall gain (better for SACD, slightly worse for DVD-A). This is in context with the cheap player that only has one set of DACs.
     
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