another pet peeve about the movies

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  1. Philip_G

    Philip_G Producer

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    I go to an AMC 24 here locally, it's a good theater and gets independants...
    Anyway, on busy nights like friday and saturday they have at least one, if not two sheriff's deputies just hanging around, drinking free soda and being seen. What the fuck?
    are they on the county clock and getting paid by my tax dollars to stand around a private business?
    or are they moonlighting and working for AMC but taking advantage of their official uniform?

    both scenarios piss me off
     
  2. Mike Voigt

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    Thye are probably there at the behest of the theater to visibly show legal enforcement.

    That can be many things, but quite a few companies have agreements with local sheriff's offices to handle security.

    It is also not a matter of taking advantage of their official uniform. They are probably there in an official capacity, but probably after regular work hours.
     
  3. Philip_G

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    In either event, they're not there on official business. The theater should hire their own security, not drain county resources, or, perhaps they have, if the deputy is working off the county clock as a hired security guard he has no business in that uniform.
     
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    Or maybe they're escorting a trip out among the minimum security inmates. Asking might help.
     
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    Maybe it's a good thing there is security there at all. The only people that ever complain about security usually have something they want to get away with. How about letting them do whatever they are doing and just enjoy a night out at the movies? Also unless you know the county is paying them for this work at the theater, then you have no way of knowing that it is "draining resources". If anything they theater is probably paying them, they are dressed in their uniforms to help deter any criminal intentions. Who knows? At least they are trying to make it safe.
     
  6. LewB

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    Perhaps the theater is thought of as a possible 'target' due to the large number of people that are there. Add to that the fact that they are basically 'trapped' in a large dark room and it has the makings of a bad situation.
    It's unfortunate, but these days we all need to 'think like terrorists'. [​IMG]
     
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    I know... Basically, Phillip, what makes you assume that whatever they are doing improper, out of line, or isn't worth doing?

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  8. CRyan

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    They are probably just moonlighting. No expense to you as a taxpayer. The police do this ALL the time with department stores etc. They make relatively big money doing this part time after hours. ($20-40 an hour).


    C. Ryan
     
  9. Philip_G

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    I'm not assuming anything. It's one of two situations
    1) they're moonlighting
    2) they're on the clock

    I thought we had well established this.
    In any event, they both piss me off. Where is the assumption in that?
    In #2 they have no business being dedicated to a private business. #1 they have no business being in uniform as they're not acting in that capacity, they're a security guard at that point.
     
  10. JamieD

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    You assume. They could have been told to head over there as there has been many reported incidents. You don't know. Asking helps.
     
  11. brentl

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    You can hire cops to "work an event" this is the same thing. Paid by the theatre for security.

    Do you really respect any of the generic security guards you see? Probably not, but a cop, I know I do.

    brent
     
  12. Jeff Gatie

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    They are probably on what is called a "detail". This means they are acting in an official capacity, but they are being paid by the facility they are protecting. This is standard procedure for cops assigned/hired by bars, nightclubs, supermarkets, conventions etc. Sometimes these assignments are required by law (a nightclub over a certain capacity requires a police detail in Mass., for instance). Sometimes they are hired at the behest of the owner of the establishment (a supermarket, for instance). Rest assured if a police officer is guarding private property in uniform, he/she is working in an official capacity and 9 times out of 10 they are not on the public dime. You should do some research, it may lower your level of anxiety.

    P.S. One thing I did not mention is that cops are often called to perform a "traffic detail". This usually entails sitting at a road construction site directing traffic. This is also overtime and they often get hazard pay (up to $60/hr in Mass.). This is paid for by the county or state (not the police budget), but I bet you never complained about that. See, you learn something new every day!
     
  13. James T

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    Cops used to hang around my local theater. But it was filled with kids loitering and asking of-age folks for a smoke. It's really just kids without a drivers license. It never bothered me, since I didn't like the look on them teenagers. And also, I used to be them. Once I got my license, I used it to drive to a better and lower priced theater.
     
  14. ToddS

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    Here in Georgia the police can be considered always on duty because they can write you a ticket or arrest you even if they are on their off day(s) and in their swim trunks and flip flops as long as they are in their jurisdiction.
     
  15. Dave Poehlman

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    Since an AMC mega-plex was installed in one of our local malls crime in the mall and parking lot increased dramatically... mostly because the theater stays open past regular mall hours.

    In fact, we had a small riot in the mall when people were turned away from a film's premiere because it was full.

    I would bet the community has requested their presence rather than AMC.
     
  16. Shayne Lebrun

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    As others have said, police can generally be hired off-hours to stand post somewhere; their time is paid for by the private enterprise doing the hiring.

    A policeman is a policeman 24 hours a day; being in uniform doesn't have a whole lot to do with their enforcement powers. If somebody wants to pay them to stand around and show the flag, fine. Keeps the peace, and that's what they're there for, isn't it?
     
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    My take is that no matter who is footing the bill, they are there to deter crime. I'm not blaming AMC, but several years ago they opened a megaplex in our area, and it became THE place to commit a crime. There were purse snatchings, hold-ups, cars broken into, cars stolen, and even a few murders. With the police 'hanging around' on a regular basis, those have significantly decreased if not stopped all together.

    Of course, those of us who do all our movie watching on our home theater systems don't have to worry about that sort of thing.

    Paul
     
  18. Lew Crippen

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    Why does the presence of uniformed policeman make you so angry Philip?

    Just to add to what has already been posted, many, many events such as concerts, baseball, football and other sporting games hire cops for various activities (such as directing traffic)—this is often in addition to their normal security. Personally I’m more confident with a policeman in uniform directing traffic that someone in casual clothes with a vest stating ‘security’.

    As an aside, a major church very close to where I live has cops in uniform at crosswalks before and after Sunday services in order to help insure safety.

    Even if the cops are on the city clock, you have no reason to assume that they have not been directed to that location by their superiors for reasons of public safety.
     
  19. Philip_T

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    Its funny, when I look back to my younger days, I always resented the presence of policemen, thinking that they were there to harass me and make sure I wasn't having a good time. Now a days, Im glad when I see them around. However, I would have a problem if they stationed there and collecting 2 checks. IIRC, wasn't there a case recently here in Denver where some policeman would go do traffic duty for schools letting out? The problem was they were still on the city clock while collecting a check from the school.

    P.S. Im not implying that if someone doesn't like the cops around that they must be young, it was just my personal outlook at the time.
     
  20. Holadem

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    It makes perfect sense, we've all been there at some point as teenagers I am sure: Can you think of a greater symbol of authority than a cop?

    But then again, Phil is a biker, and may have never grown out of that [​IMG]. I am only half joking, I think we can all agree that bikes are often (not always, please don't shoot me!) a statement of rebellion (in addition to masculinity and all that jazz)? IOW, a biker is more likely to react negatively to the presence of a cop than average joe?

    Phew, I hope I didn't offend anyone, youo never know nowadays...

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