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Discussion in 'Streaming and Digital Media' started by Ronald Epstein, Oct 11, 2017.
Yeah, most of us are dinosaurs when it comes to media.
Which you can also tie into the discussion of WalMart selling Vudu. They also see that the future isn't in sales, so they are cashing out, while NBC seems more interested in getting their ad-supported streaming service.
The future of watching movies at home is in subscribing to services, not purchasing.
Just don't say that in the Blu-ray and UHD forum
Here’s what I don’t get with the digital storefront business, and its what I didn’t get either back in the mid-2000s when I worked for a small home video label that was being courted by iTunes, Vudu and the rest of the storefronts.
The studio (for the sake of shorthand, “studio” refers to the studio, home video label or other distributor in charge of the title) supplies the digital master. The studio supplies all supplemental material. The studio supplies all key art and graphics used for that title on the service. The studio sets pricing. (If one storefront is offering discounts on a particular title when another is not, it often means that the discount is coming out of the store’s end, not that the studio has agreed to sell it for less at that store.) The storefronts are responsible for storing all of these digital assets and providing them to the customer.
So if you’re a storefront, you have fixed costs for hardware, software, storage and infrastructure that can’t be eliminated. And you can only sell what the studios let you sell, at the prices they set, making competition difficult because the only way to stand out from every other service is to offer a discount out of your pocket.
The storefronts don’t make anything themselves, and they don’t have the clout in most cases to drive others towards innovation. They’re middlemen. So the question becomes, if we’re heading towards an outcome where these different services all work on all the different devices, how can a multitude of storefronts survive that all offer an identical product on identical terms? Especially if, thanks to Movies Anywhere and Ultraviolet before it, you’re obligated to provide service to people that aren’t putting any money into your ecosystem?
How does a service like Vudu survive if it’s obligated to spend money to store and provide thousands or millions of titles to an untold number of customers who have never and will never spend a dime at Vudu?
Sorry, but I fail to see how any business can look down their noses at a $3 billion market. Offer both subscriptions and digital purchases, and make more money.
That's not how things work tho. The force multiplier of a streamlined single source solution is infinitely more appealing that picking up dregs from multiple incompatible solutions.
$3 billion is not "dregs", any way you cut it.
I think too that it's not necessarily where the market is now but where it's heading. You're right that $3 billion is absolutely a lot right now, but decisions and investments being made today are more about where things will be 5 years from now...
Then I guess they stand the chance of becoming self-fulfilling prophecy.
That's a fair statement...
Insert Wayne Gretsky skating to where the puck will be quote...
I thought the same thing for a while.
And if one buys a 4K UHD disc & redeems the digital copy, do the streamers (Vudu, Apple TV, Amazon, etc.) actually loose money every time a user streams it? It may be fractions of a cent, but what do they gain from this? A physical disc was bought - which none of them may have sold - but until the end of time, they have to stream it to the customer as many times as the customer likes.
It's the cost of customer acquisition and retention, a normal part of the equation.
A company like Apple wants you in their ecosystem - signing up for the services, buying the hardware, etc. If their competitors offer MA compatibility then they have to as well.
You also never know what is written into contracts. Disney might require you to be an MA provider in order to sell their titles at $20 a pop. Again, all part of the cost of doing business.
So if I buy the 2019 Little Women on Blu-ray and then redeem the digital code on iTunes, will the digital copy be in 4K?
Handy place to check such things here...
No, because the code will not redeem on iTunes, only on Movies Anywhere.
If it was a code from a 4K release, it would.
I wish it was. I'd love to have it on UHD disc, since it was one of my favorite movies of 2019. As it is, though, I'll just wait until the next time the digital copy drops below $10.
Vudu has launched a new feature I've long wanted to see MA implement - lists.
You can make movie lists and sort them however you want, and you can put movies on multiple lists. I have a Batman list, and a Chris Nolan list, with the Dark Knight trilogy in both.
But the main reason I wanted this feature was the MCU. I can finally sort the movies in chronological order (which is not strictly release order).
And I think they defaulted by giving everyone a Star Wars list.
Yeah, I noticed that last night when I was browsing my Vudu library.