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Kevin Alexander

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.....[rips apart envelope and pauses for a second].....the Athena AS-C1 center channel!!!

Can someone tell me how a company can make an awesome set of main speakers in the AS-F2's, but pull up short on the center channel? I finally got around to hooking up the AS-C1 to the system along w/ the AS-F2 mains and everything was perfect w/ the exception of the AS-C1 center. First, it just can't keep up w/ the mains. Second, I detected a slightly constricted "nasality" tone to it w/ dialog. I still have my Paradigm CC-350 and I spent an hour today swapping between the Paradigm and the Athena. I was hoping the Athena would at least match the output of the Paradigm, but it falls a bit short just as I felt it did during the numerous listening sessions I spent in the Best Buy sound corner.

To be specific, the Paradigm was more full sounding, but a little less detailed than the Athena. But the Athena, while more detailed than the Paradigm, had what I describe as a slight "boxy nasaly" tone on some dialog. And again, while the Athena was pleasingly detailed, to me it lacked depth and had me staring at the center channel as if to get a little more presence out of it. I think the Athena AS-C1 center would be a better match for the smaller AS-F1 floorstanders. So for now, I think I will have to stick w/ my Paradigm center channel, and hope that Athena will wise up and put out an AS-C1 mkII. Yes, I won't be timbre-matched across the front, but the AS-F2's are too awesome to give up. For me, they are perfect.
 

Chuck_W

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My thoughts exactly Kevin! I too love the F2's, but just don't know what to do with this center...I'm just not happy with it. In fact, I emailed Athena recently to express this and asked if they would be coming out with a larger center to better match the F2's. Here's their reply:



They've got me questioning my receiver's capabilities (Pioneer 912). I'm also thinking about investing in an unmatched center but I have no idea what to go with. I really think Athena is missing the boat on this one.
 

Chuck_W

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Would it be that hard for Athena to use the 6.5" woofers from the AS-B2's to create an AS-C2?

Maybe someday...
 

brentl

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Yeah they make another center for the next line up.

Kevin; many of us have written to API to complain. It's a good option for some people, but for people like me that went for YEARS with matching speakers across the front this was a big move down.

I even esked why I wasn't allowed to buy a single in Canada and they said "that's the way it's packaged". Strange thing, I could buy singles in the States!

Brent
 

Kevin Alexander

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OK, I'm in panic mode now. I need a cost effective, viable replacement for the Athena AS-C1 center channel - it just doesn't cut it for me. Suggestions anyone?....Anybody???

How can equipment designers be so ignorant of their own products? Aren't they supposed to be better than us?
 

Lee Bailey

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Kevin, could you please elaborate more on your setup? How are your speakers configured on your receiver, etc. Did you use a Sound Level meter to adjust the speakers, or just do it by ear, etc...
 

John Robert

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Since the AS-F2's are so cheap now, why not buy a pair and use one as center and one as a rear center???

I'm trying this with Totem Forests...

John
 

john seitz

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if you have a tweeter near you or quilify for this over the net:


tweeter.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1163200&cp=1124285.1124339.1124386&sublevel=2&parentPage=family


it is also made by API
 

Drew_W

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What higher lines?

This ASC1 issue keeps getting brought up time and time again here...for what I paid for my setup, I'm not going to complain though...Athena is dirt cheap here in Canada, and it helps to have connections. I do see myself moving to another line though, and Energy Conoisseurs pop immediately to mind since I am extremely fond of Energy's offerings. My theatre setup isn't much of a priority though...we'll see what happens. The Athenas are great bang for the buck budget speakers though.
 

Kevin Alexander

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I can't open the link John.

Edit: you left off the "www."

Wow! That is a $750.00 center channel. No can do. Thanks anyway.
 

Tony Genovese

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Good luck with the VP150. I had one and was not impressed with it at all. I felt off axis response/tonality was very poor and the match with the left and right was not good. (And those were Axioms, too). YMMV. I'd be interested in your thoughts once you receive it.
 

Keiwana

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kevin

"Wow! That is a $750.00 center channel. No can do. Thanks anyway"

You can another set of fronts to use as your center for $399.99 at Audio Advisor with not tax & Free Shipping.

That's better than 750.00:)
 

Adam.Heckman

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Kevin,
Did you let the AS-C1 play for 100 hours first? I know you set them up and gave your review, and recently ordered a new center, but you never said if you gave them a fair shot. I've read other threads that speak poorly of the AS-C1 (I run it, love it) and people all say that the voice really does change between 50 and 100.

So, to stop rambling: did you, infact, play it for 100 hours and re-calibrate?
 

Kevin Alexander

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Honestly, no, I didn't. I played it off and on for a couple of days. I feel that once "nasaly and boxy" sounding, always "nasaly and boxy" sounding. The out of the box sound makes a big first impression w/ me. If it sounds good out of the box, I like the idea that it will get even better, but if it sounds not too good out of the box, it's hard to imagine it getting any better.
 

Tony Genovese

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As I said in my original post, your mileage may vary. I'd be interested to hear what you think. I was comparing it to some pretty expensive centers, but Axiom gives the impression that they can give you big boy sound for a not so big boy price which is why I tried it out. That said, I was very, very impressed with the M2i - an amazing speaker at the price and more!
 

ChrisLazarko

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I don't know about the Athena lacking the sound as much as say the Bose center channel. A little dinky thing in plastic with like 4 or 5 speakers that are about 2". Jee what a piece of work. I never thought the Athena center lacked on my friends system tho, and it's the same.
 

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