and the award for most pointless layer-change...

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  1. Mark ZA

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    ..goes to Tomb Raider. 2 minutes before the end of the movie - whats that all about? Can anybody think of any other oddly placed layer changes?
    Before I get berrated for even buying the movie in the first place - I really enjoyed it! Was just like a video game, which I think was the intention all along.
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    I believe that the most ridiculous layer change occured in the DVD of Gilbert & Sullivan's IOLANTHE. It took place during a dance number where a woman was in the air during a leap. For a few seconds, time stood still and gravity was suspended.
     
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    I thought the same with Dante's Peak. Layer change near the end of the movie when all hell's breaking loose. It's a loud scene that creates a big distraction when the layer change occurs.
     
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    Hi,
    I can think of two.
    1. End of Days: 8 minutes into the movie.
    2. Ed-TV (and this one gets the award): It's during (!) the end credits, between two songs.
    In my experience the most awful layer changes occur on Warner DVDs. Very often in the middle of a scene, during dialogue, sometimes even in the middle of a shot (Goonies anyone?)
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    Hm, the prize has to go to Fox Lorber's Hard Boiled-- layer change 15s into the movie!! [​IMG]
    I just reviewed another disc that has the layer change 1m5s into the movie. What, pray tell is the point of this?
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    On the new Paul McCartney Wingspan DVD, there's a layer change almost exactly one hour into the video, right on a dissolve into concert footage, dropping the audio out during the intro to "Venus and Mars"... very annoying.
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    Hey mark....rush hour 2 has a layer change about 2 minutes before the movies is over also.Its even moe trange that sometimes my player has played through this change seamlessly and others there is around a 2 second pause..wierd.
    The layer change in patch adams is awful.(I love the movie,and couldnt believe how badly placed it was.No flames for me liking this movie y'all. [​IMG])
     
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    MGM put out the Blue Velvet DVD, not Warners. (Note the MGM logo on the cover.)
    Jurassic Park has a bad layer change...the movie is only 127 minutes long and the layer change is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A DIALOGUE SCENE only about 20 min into the movie.
    Any time a DVD has a layer change for a movie less than 2 hours long (I think Pinnochio and Dumbo have layer changes...).
    I don't mind it when layer changes ARE in movies shorter than 2 hours, especially when they're hidden pretty good like in Shrek. I didn't notice layer changes for North By Northwest, Lawrence of Arabia, or even Ben-Hur.
    Layer changes should ALWAYS be invisible.
    [Edited last by PatrickMcCart on November 14, 2001 at 12:46 PM]
     
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    I can't think of any odd ones, but my least fave is in Mallrats. They put it in a scene change, but there's music playing during it so it's quite distracting.
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    The Mask of Zorro SE has a really bad layer change. It's when they're getting in the wagons to go look at the mines. The video noticeably freezes and blurs a bit before it continues to the next scene.
    That's the worst one I've seen. I don't really care when they occur in a film, as long as it's barely noticeable.
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    I believe this is determined by where the extras are placed on the disc.
     
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    Patrick, Jefferson was talking about the laserdisc of Blue Velvet which was originally released by WB, not the DVD from MGM.
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    Why don't they just use one layer of the DVD for the film and then put the extras on the rest of the open space and the other layer so there aren't any layer changes? Its always annoying...
    To tell the truth, the Tomb Raider change wasn't pointless. They needed to change layers, and what better time than when there is no important action on-screen?
     
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    Well on the new version of Jesus Christ Superstar at the end of "Could We Start Again Please" the last note is supposed to be interrupted by the next song... but guess what? Thats right they put the layer change between the two.
    On my toshiba it was
    ". . . Could we start a-"
    PAUSE
    Guitar for next song
    But strangely enough it is seamless on my cheapie Apex. That thing handles layer changes better than any player I have ever seen.
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    You guys obviously haven't seen the R4 of Die Hard with a Vengenace [​IMG]
    Right in the middle of the scene on the boat where Bruce and Samuel are tied to that giant bomb and Bruce is trying to save them, it occurs, and does it so badly that my trusted Pioneer DV-515 loses DD sync, and clicks loudly as it goes back to PCM, and then syncs back again with another speaker-cracking click [​IMG]
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