Amps on top or bottom...now you know :) (1 Viewer)

[Steve_AS]

I alwyas put the amp on top; it makes the other components jealous, so they work harder.

 

[ScottRCapt]

I happened to be reading a white paper the other day that may be of interest to Chu's and sort of correlates with his theory. In fact I will paste it here for everyone to read.

The Telestron Corporation has developed, in secret, a whole new type of Home Theater Cabinet System to combat the effects of free radical electrons and gravitational Bass Bleed. This new cabinet will be made out of titanium and high-density super secret polymer technology. This technology has been developed for the department of Defense with a grant from the Audiotechnical Foundation Nacional of Spain, and the Joint Governments of Russia, the United Kingdom, and Japan.

The new Cabinet System will be completely sealed and constantly cooled with a liquid nitrogen cooling system. It will need this revolutionary new cooling method because of the Diametrically opposed Electromagnetic surfaces within this new Cabinet System. All interior surfaces and all shelves within this Cabinet will employ opposing electro-magnets. The cabinet will also be constantly pumped down to a negative atmosphere to achieve a complete vacuum, similar to the atmosphere in deep space. The audio components stored within will actually float on a cushion of magnetic energy, like a Bullet Train floating on its tracks. The advantages of these measures are obvious to those in the electronic world. To attain this type of atmosphere, one would actually have to build a rocket and blast into space! The advantages for an audio system are tenfold. No more temperature problems, Bass response will be greatly improved by the unimpeded electron flow in deep space. Free radicals cannot exist in that type of atmosphere, no need to increase gravity, because there is no gravity! With no gravity the electrons have the freedom to flow quickly and cleanly throughout the system. With a sealed environment no dust or dirt can enter the system. In a vacuum only sound can travel at the speed of Light! (And Light itself, of course)

Reginald Van-Renault, CEO of Telestron Corp. stated that NASA had commissioned the project to allow the Astronauts to jam on space walks and view first run movies on the new space station. Unfortunately, however, since the latest Shuttle disaster, Telestron has had to turn to the public for an alternate use of their "SuperCool HT Cabinet". Mr. Van-Renault said that audiophiles had approached him when they found out about the device through leaks supposedly emanating from the White House. Van-Renault would not comment on the security leak that exposed the Super Secret "SuperCool Cabinet", but he did say that he was damn glad that "somebody wanted the thing".

Testing was completed at the Louis Livermore Labs and initial indications are that the cabinet will even increase Bass output of Bose speakers! Now isn’t that is impressive! All high end amplifiers will benefit from installation in the new device, yet Telestron officials were quick to point out that even mid level to cheap home theater receivers or amplifiers will benefit from the device. "Even a Kenwood will sound good in a Telestron Cabinet!"

Pricing is not firm yet; the first units are expected to go to custom installs in the White House and in a private home in Kennebunkport, Maine. But the production models should be ready for the Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago next December. Initial price $ 285,550.00

 

[Craig_Kg]

I normally have the highest respect for Chu but here he is dead set wrong. He has ignored the fact that the utilities pump through the electrons at a rate that is more than nominally sufficient for amplifiers to to drive speakers at an average volume even if the amplifiers are raised well above the speaker driver height (and even in Denver). PEAK volume however, requires electrons receive as much help as is possible and here, the gravitational potential of the high mounted amp has a distinct advantage as the electron energy boost will definitely improve overall dynamics.

I think Chu has forgotten that the capacitors in the amps give the electrons time to recover from the extra distance they may have to travel to a higher mounted amplifier so they have recovered to full energy levels before they launch themselves towards the speakers. The cable capacitance crowding effect he speaks of has long been solved with conic section interconnects and cabling - just remember that the thin end connects to the higher mounted component and the thick end on the lower ones or else the signal will be confused and muddled.

 

[Chu Gai]

would anyone expect anything different from someone who lives where toilets flush backwards?

 

[Craig_Kg]

So you're saying the up/down is relative to the solar plane, not the earth surface? Hmmm...

 

[Jaime B]

Ok Guys:

Latest news is that the FBI is in earnest looking to catch all the BAD electrons. Once they are all in jail, no need to spend $$$$ on component upgrades!

To John FF, melted butter actually causes electrons to clump together, better use Warfarin or Plavix, they'll flow better!

As for the Free Radicals, they have been out en-force since Woodstock. Eliminate electron free radicals with judicious use of vitamin E and co-enzyme Q10. Will clean all free radicals from your electronics safely.
As for the Woodstock Radicals they are all now rich and old and do't give a damn 'bout electrons...

Jack S, feeling better since your ex stopped abusing your electrons. If you have a new girl in your life your systems' cable with 40 mg of Viagra will have properly oriented electrons for the ultimate in listenning experience. The presentation will be most palpable.

Forget Brita filters, I use K&N around my power cords and actually got a 20% increase in electron flow to my components. WOW, my amp sound twice as powerful. Next, I will hook an NOX system into the amp's toroidal. Triple the electron flow!

Electronics, aint it a BLAST!

JaimeB

 

[Mary M S]

You guys! Honestly - making a mountain out of Stephen Hawkins nutshell.
Its really, really: - so primitive. Many moons ago a guy stacked all his gear …neatly in one spot. (it was all the square mileage his wife would allow). Of course he factored in heat (but not weight) and stacked the amp on top. But since his proclivity was never inclined towards “dusting” objects but sadly lacking in a genetic predisposition towards respecting his own property (not to be confused with Jack Briggs who ALWAYS considerately cherishes the lifespan of electronics and factors future resale value in the care and feeding of AV) This mans wife pitched a fit. She, after combining her less formidable might; in connection with her maids clearly far superior biceps brachii strenuously objected that in combined union their repeated attempts still failed to LIFT that amp off the top of the stack to dust the nightmare tower in the middle of her living space. (keep in mind this was in the 60’s when dedicated and hidden HT access faux walls were not currently envisioned by the highest sought and most desirable of architects). .

. … Since this man happened to serve his bread and butter to his household via a career path label “Acoustical Physicist” currently employed re-designing the most revered of perfectly tuned Concert Halls in Europe, with countless articles detailing the highlights of his highly lucrative commissions, - a man frequently quoted by the largest subscribed current popular mechanics type publications.

Heat no heat …amps went on the bottom.

 

[MikeRP]

Mary:

You remind us of the one of the irrefutable facts in the poor harrowed, much miligned, dinosoric life of us over-educated and under appreciated men.............

That the WAF Factor rules...............

However, in my new course that I'm offering on Electron Telekensisis, just because of you, I'm adding a chapter that will educate the new male audio species to understand and effectively overcome this overrated and easily overcome opportunity to reverse the damage of the 60s generation and get back to the real cave man days.

Fits right in with my course nicely - kinda like dealing with electrons......

Mike

 

[Mary M S]

You can know- our speed OR our direction.
But never both simultaneously.

 

[Chu Gai]

Seeing Mary post here reminds me of a joke with her name...

Father O'Grady was saying his goodbyes to the parishioners after his Sunday morning service as he always does, when Mary Clancey came up to him in tears.
"What's bothering you so, dear?" inquired Farther O'Grady.
"Oh, father, I've got terrible news," replied Mary.
"Well what would that be now, Mary?"
"Well, my husband, Father...he passed away last night."
"Oh, Mary," said the priest, "that's terrible. Tell me Mary, did he have any last requests?"
"Well, yes he did, Father," replied Mary. "What did he ask, Mary?" Mary replied, "He said, 'Please, Mary, put down the gun...'"

 

[Martin Rendall]

In an attempt to lower my amps, I've just buried them in the back yard. Put a rock over them too.

Martin.

 

[Terry St]

But since his proclivity was never inclined towards “dusting” objects but sadly lacking in a genetic predisposition towards respecting his own property

What size was this amp? Was it over or under 50lbs? After 50lbs, an object becomes sufficiently immobile that men can rub it with a diaper, polish it, talk to it, caress it, etc. without risking an unwitting shift to its careful placement. Conversely, it is absolutely imperative that smaller objects be left undusted. After using an item, the dust tells you where to put it back!

This is one of the major differences between the sexes. Women, as opposed to men, are quite happy rearranging their environment on a regular basis. Indeed, they frequently make up excuses to do it even when it is totally unnecessary. Take dust for example. Does it hurt anyone? Asthmatics perhaps, but that's what prescription drugs are for. In truth, a healthy layer of dust-bunnies can significantly enhance the acoustics of a listening room by adding diffusion. Women often try to brainwash us into believing that it is some sort of unholy scourge that, if left unswept from our homes, will result in testicular cancer or a brain tumor the size of a grapefruit. However, the real truth is that this is merely an excuse to rearrange everything in the house on a regular basis.

The reason behind this covert feminine practice of rearranging things is difficult to fathom. Some subscribe to the notion that women have brains that are wired fundamentally different than those of men, and are hence, incomprehensible. Thus, any attempt to make sense of their actions is doomed to failure and you're probably better off building model ships-in-bottles. Personally, I believe that science can explain female behavior. Behavior patterns that at first appear strange and alien are, in fact, perfectly logical evolutionary adaptations. Since evolution is primarily aimed at survival and reproductive success, we should ask ourselves how this behavior could enhance a woman's desirability to potential mates.

One possible explanation is that, by continually rearranging a male's things while he is absent or unconscious, the female can instill in the target male a perpetual state of confusion which would lead to dependence. For example, while one of our prehistoric male ancestors takes a nap in the midday sun, an interested female takes advantage of this lapse in awareness to "tidy" his things. One of the tribe's scouts arrives back in the encampment and sounds the alarm. Game has been sighted! The male wakes from his slumber, but his spear, atlatl, flint-knapping kit, tinder, etc. have been moved from the positions he carefully optimized for minimum response time! The other hunters are all starting down the trail after the scout and the unfortunate male is rapidly being left behind! In desperation, he asks the conveniently nearby female to help him gather his things. Naturally, she obliges him with awe-inspiring competence. With repeated reinforcement over time the male will eventually go to this female first rather than attempting to find items on his own.

In modern times, with our large stationary homes bursting at the brims with thousands of items specialized to perform specific tasks, this behavior has only grown more effective. What is finding a 6-foot long spear in a couple square meters of tall grass and bushes compared to finding a carefully relocated 3mm hex-wrench in the vast expanses of a modern home? This is why bachelors who finally give in to constant demands for *the key* suddenly discover they can't find a damned thing they're looking for! It is inevitable that sooner or later they will make the classic tactical blunder of asking the new lady of the house if she's seen it. Relationship "talks" will soon follow.

 

[Chu Gai]

I cried when I read that. Can we get an amen?

 

[Mary M S]

One possible explanation is that, by continually rearranging a male's things while he is absent or unconscious, the female can instill in the target male a perpetual state of confusion which would lead to dependence.

That theory lacks basis in reality. As it does not allow for the phenomena of the habitually unobservant male.

Picture the same dwelling with “one of our prehistoric male ancestors take[ing] a nap in the midday sun”
He awakes and is disturbed by volcanic rumblings in his neither regions. He glances in irration down the trail wondering where that female is when he urgently desires sustenance. Sudden recollection when last observed this female was filleting his latest catch, a task which will necessitate her absence till the sun shows the grasses shadow lengthening horizontally.
With greatest excitement he recalls her neatly depositing the gelatinous remains of his morning meal into some forgotten vessel. He enters the shelter, finds this cold unpalatable fare and grunts (in disgust).
He is not starving on the long trail, he has no need to sustain life without the wondrous transformation created by fire when in residence of his own camp! . But alas, the basket is reed, even this male unaccustomed as he is to the nature of his females cooking fire, greatly disturbed is aware that he should locate that other ‘thing’ he sees the female ceaselessly tending over the blaze just before a hot appetizing item is placed upon his lap. But egads where is it!. Search high and low, Our hero cannot decipher the intricacy of his simple and humble abode. Yet passes repeatedly and fruitlessly backwards and forwards near the area in which the pot sits…………as it has sat for the last 5 years without fail whence not in use.

We leave this ancestor as he exits the doorway and gazes disapprovingly down the trail. He sets his foot upon the beginning stages of its track. Pauses, heartily sighs and returns to his nap.


Chu, you did not finish Marys sentence: "He said, 'Please, Mary, put down the gun...'" And I said, "But darling man, you told me it isn't loa........."

 

[MikeRP]

All I can say is Double Amen...........my sides are killing me

 

[MikeRP]

Mary:

Sounds like you know male behavior by heart........do you perchance have a member of the species lurking close by?

Mike:b

 

[Martin Rendall]

I think I've been misled. The bass is now muddy.

Martin.

 

[Mary M S]

Martin,

Must I constantly remind you!. Turn that burnt electron H2O cooling system off in the vicinity of the rock in the yard, before engaging your SW.

Mike: Actually I’m what you’d call a (agent). Sent by my employer for years of extensive preparation in the Cliff Notes version fast track College specializing in Aviation, Automotive and Audio. Even had to spend a week at Hooters. (I lie…never set foot in that place). I’ve lurked in close cohabitation with this species extensively for extended periods having minimal contact with my own kind. After a few years I much preferred these strange though often exotic specimens. On Occasion (familiarity always breeding contempt) I reach a saturation level which requires a short hiatus, least I kill one of them in a fit of pique

Where were we? - Oh, 1 and 0’s. Although definately wearing camo. I’m afraid my chromosomatic tendicies slip through. (thread hijacker).

 

[Alan Pummill]

Mary, Mary, quite contrary,
How does your electrons flow??:b

 

[Craig_Kg]

I think I've been misled. The bass is now muddy.

Did you forget to bury them in a watertight compartment (with cooling stack)?

I still believe raising the amps out of the dirt will clean up the sound more.