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LOL...LOL....I'd absolutely love to do the commentary with you on a 4K release of the title....
Haha, that would be fun if possible.... a new featurette for Amityville II: The Possession would be fun to include shots of the Mexico studio where interiors were shot, the house used in the film (substantially changed and moved!) in Tom’s River and finally tracking down Jack Magner for exhaustive interviews, dammit. haha

  • Special releases: Cool news about the UK version of the DVDs and that of Amityville II: The Possession ….looks like most of those particular video featurettes and the A. Holzer audio commentary (reportedly with huge gaps in between talking) and 5.1 audio remix was ported over to the 2013 Blu-ray release (in a Blu-ray trilogy with pt 2 not sold separately – chumps!)….but the video quality and audio quality are genuinely applauded on Blu-ray. Especially for the audio remix update (although not noted on the back slipcover for part 2, regardless; evidently the 5.1 mix is on the Blu-ray) – check that out. I’d like to get it…but the price keeps rising…..
This review likes the 5.1 audio mix with alluring surrounds:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Amityville-II-The-Possession-Blu-ray/70117/#Review

although this review didn’t like the audio 5.1 mix as much, finding it hollow:

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/9077/amityville_horror_trilogy.html




  • Special effects comparisons:
Released 2/1982 – The Beast Within

Released 9/1982 - Amityville II: The Possession

I looked at special effects people, between the two films, on imdb.com, and didn’t see correlations….though I think special effects people of major Hollywood studios was a “small world” at that time…not sure. Amityville II The Possession looked more refined in some places….the warped arm…or the “go away damned bitch” veins popping on Magner’s face….yikes.


  • Yes, you are right about the 2018’s Amityville Murders (about the DeFeos) film for TV with Diane Franklin, and Burt Young reprising the DeFeo story …I’m sure it has its moments, and I hope to see it someday.
  • Special Effects: Arm coming out of the wall detail: The scene of the Magner under the house and the hand coming out of the wall. Scared the hell out of me as a kid – didn’t see that coming. Like a nightmare coming to life….and the set up just before it; him about to go back up the stairs but hears those sickening voices and turns around to that "lair" room…. But I never noticed blood shooting out of hand. I just played it, and yes, you are right; good catch ! A lot of blood shooting out of the middle finger – i never noticed that before with the backlighting and other water dripping. Yikes.
  • Special Effects Oops!: Crew’s foot: I did not see the effects tube in Magner's breaking head at the end! Another good catch…lol….yes, the 2005 DVD is really a strong transfer…there is also the catch of a crew’s feet (left) when the camera (demon's POV) swings from Sonny’s shoes to over his head….right at the 2:10 spot in the following link, you can see one crew person’s feet and they walk away:

  • Production design film comparisons: I think Amityville II: The Possession's ceiling rafters generally match the walls previously after looking once more... A lot of folks are fans of John Carpenter’s Vampires. Your memory of it in your life is great! And the brand new car…aww. A milestone in life for sure. I enjoy Carpenter’s work, and liked Vampires, mostly because I adore Sheryl Lee, admittedly. Most folks thought Woods was terrific in the film…I thought Woods was perfectly cast in Videodrome and his other works…but I’m in the minority with liking him in Vampire$, despite his sincere effort, and sharp & clever dialogue. From here on, I shan’t say anything bad about it. Except I thought JC’s 1982 film The Thing was more superior and alluring, perfectly cast, and re-watchable, great audio commentary as well - excellent in fact with JC and KR…. Anyway, yeah, that first building in Vampire$ looks too good and fatigued simultaneously, imo….
  • Ending scenes: Yes, the debate during the exorcism sequence…..so compelling, twisted and on-point. I also agree - not long enough!!! Under all that makeup and slime…Magner again nails it.
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  • As did the demon’s previous turn of Trisha’s glammed up, lusty illusion “….you know my name” – DID NOT see that coming at all.
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  • Ending scenes: The house raining within…uuhh….well, yup it’s ridiculous (with too much music also), but it looked good - the young crowds at the time probably didn’t care one whit LOL Haha…Just more Hollywood pandering to its target audience I guess….but if it were still and quiet, I think that w/have been creepier…and more realistic.
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  • Deleted Scene: Evidently there is a German VHS release including a cut scene of Sonny shooting his father first in the stomach. There are other deleted scenes as you mentioned with the lost souls, Jan trying to drown her brother in the bathtub, the trailer has the kids in the room which isn't in the film etc. Deleted scene:
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  • DVD Special Features 2005: Ok, I pulled out the 2005 Amityville Trilogy DVD set, and yes, the fourth Amityville Confidential DVD with the two History Channel episodes on Amityville….forgot all about them, Adam! I watched them again in the last few days. They were good for us fans – moved right along, capturing interviews with principle folks who have now passed away except the latter: Lutz’s, Weber, Holzer, E & L Warren, Laura D…. Now more of what you said made sense. …..plus, gosh, I’d say part of it is a hot mess of greed, jealousy and lawsuits as well LOL …great watch again after all these years. Drama outside of the house. Weber was a creep, if what the Lutz’s said was true (threat to talk to the kids at school, Weber suing the Lutz about parts of the story before production, DeFeo Jr getting some back-end payment from the production (!!) – that’s against the 1977 law: “Son of Sam”...if it could have been enforced around then)…hot mess LOL
  • Reference: Watching 2012’s My Amityville Horror with the angry Daniel Lutz, then re-reading the infamous Amityville Horror right afterwards….can give you a different perspective on George, as mentioned. Keep us updated
  • Reference: Amityville: The Final Chapter book …..ya know, I want to say I believe I read that a zillion years ago, b/c the cover is so familiar….but I don’t remember – looks interesting; I’m sure you are right that someone was stretching the $tory!
  • Score: And then there is Lalo Schifrin’s score ♫♪…. Similar to his work on Amityville Horror. But with part 2, I thought it was more foreboding with: aggressive-heavy cello (?), ghostly singing, and falling, dissonant melodies…. Really creepy I always thought. However, with briefer interludes, I think it was not as extensive as the first film, though with part 2, the score is....very dooming....
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Haha, that would be fun if possible.... a new featurette for Amityville II: The Possession would be fun to include shots of the Mexico studio where interiors were shot, the house used in the film (substantially changed and moved!) in Tom’s River and finally tracking down Jack Magner for exhaustive interviews, dammit. haha
LOL...

Those would be great additions for hardcore fans. It's weird about the "movie house," as it's difficult to imagine them turning that thing into what we see in the first three films, save for the reconstructing of the "cape-esque" elements of the roof and siding...


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Here is a shot of them preparing the house for the 1979 shooting of Amityville Horror:

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And here's the house they used for the disappointing Amityville: The Awakening:

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Special releases
: Cool news about the UK version of the DVDs and that of Amityville II: The Possession ….looks like most of those particular video featurettes and the A. Holzer audio commentary (reportedly with huge gaps in between talking) and 5.1 audio remix was ported over to the 2013 Blu-ray release (in a Blu-ray trilogy with pt 2 not sold separately – chumps!)….but the video quality and audio quality are genuinely applauded on Blu-ray. Especially for the audio remix update (although not noted on the back slipcover for part 2, regardless; evidently the 5.1 mix is on the Blu-ray) – check that out. I’d like to get it…but the price keeps rising…..
This review likes the 5.1 audio mix with alluring surrounds:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Amityville-II-The-Possession-Blu-ray/70117/#Review

although this review didn’t like the audio 5.1 mix as much, finding it hollow:

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/9077/amityville_horror_trilogy.html
Yeah, I've read ALL the reviews for part II's Blu-ray; in fact, some reviewers are vague about whether or not the disc actually comes with a reworked 5.1 DTS-HD MA surround track (some Scream Factory releases do not carry a surround remix on them and instead boast their original stereo or mono mix).

I have been dying to buy the Amityville II Blu-ray if only to hear some elements in the surround channels, such as the demonic laughter or other creepy moments; as it stands, I've only experienced the soundtrack in its original mono audio.

And, yeah, part II wasn't sold separately; indeed, Scream used the reworked surround remix prepared for the first film's DVD presentation in the Amityville Horror Collection box set for the Blu-ray release of that entry, and it's pretty damn good...MGM did a commendable job remixing that film's original mono stems into a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix wherein we finally hear the thunder crashing around us during the opening murder sequence, et al.

The reason why the price keeps rising is because Scream discontinued production of the box set and it's considered "rare" now; I may eventually get it used on Amazon or something, but I don't want to get rid of my DVD set because of that awesome History Channel bonus disc (I had taped that documentary off of the station when it debuted around '99 or so), which Scream should have included in the trilogy box.

Special effects comparisons
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Released 2/1982 – The Beast Within

Released 9/1982 - Amityville II: The Possession

I looked at special effects people, between the two films, on imdb.com, and didn’t see correlations….though I think special effects people of major Hollywood studios was a “small world” at that time…not sure. Amityville II The Possession looked more refined in some places….the warped arm…or the “go away damned bitch” veins popping on Magner’s face….yikes.
Indeed.

Yes, you are right about the 2018’s Amityville Murders (about the DeFeos) film for TV with Diane Franklin, and Burt Young reprising the DeFeo story …I’m sure it has its moments, and I hope to see it someday.
Wasn't that great; saw it on an On Demand cable channel and it was....I don't know....meh...

There's a scene in the beginning where a chick is sitting in De Feo's car and seems almost desperate for him to shag her, and she lets out a string of vulgarities, if I remember right, sounding like a porn star on horny steroids, while he just sits staring out of the front window (they're in front of 112 Ocean Avenue)...the suggestion being that he was already starting to "come apart."

I don't remember the film being all that...well....memorable...

Special Effects: Arm coming out of the wall detail
: The scene of the Magner under the house and the hand coming out of the wall. Scared the hell out of me as a kid – didn’t see that coming. Like a nightmare coming to life….and the set up just before it; him about to go back up the stairs but hears those sickening voices and turns around to that "lair" room…. But I never noticed blood shooting out of hand. I just played it, and yes, you are right; good catch ! A lot of blood shooting out of the middle finger – i never noticed that before with the backlighting and other water dripping. Yikes.
Here's something else I never picked up on before watching the film on DVD: I never really heard those whispering voices from behind that door in the basement -- when I first played the DVD edition, I was like "Whaaaa?? Holy shit...."

They're kinda creepy....you hear him say "Who's there?" when he bends down with the gun, and suddenly the laughter stops...it's insane.

On a side note, how friggin' hysterical is it when the mover who checks out that room for Delores goes "Lady, it STINKS in here!"

All of a sudden, we're to believe Satan is taking a dump on his guy? He comes out, and when she asks "What is that on your shirt?" he's like "SHIT.....excuse me, maaam...."

WTF??

Special Effects Oops!: Crew’s foot
: I did not see the effects tube in Magner's breaking head at the end! Another good catch…lol….yes, the 2005 DVD is really a strong transfer…there is also the catch of a crew’s feet (left) when the camera (demon's POV) swings from Sonny’s shoes to over his head….right at the 2:10 spot in the following link, you can see one crew person’s feet and they walk away:
I watched this scene over and over, via the video you provided, and I STILL don't see the crew member's foot...

Production design film comparisons
: I think Amityville II: The Possession's ceiling rafters generally match the walls previously after looking once more...
You mean Sonny's bedroom ceiling is really THAT ginormous?

And the brand new car…aww.
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A milestone in life for sure. I enjoy Carpenter’s work, and liked Vampires, mostly because I adore Sheryl Lee, admittedly.
Absolutely agreed -- SUPER sexy in every way...

Wasn't she on Twin Peaks or something?

Most folks thought Woods was terrific in the film…I thought Woods was perfectly cast in Videodrome and his other works…but I’m in the minority with liking him in Vampire$, despite his sincere effort, and sharp & clever dialogue. From here on, I shan’t say anything bad about it. Except I thought JC’s 1982 film The Thing was more superior and alluring, perfectly cast, and re-watchable, great audio commentary as well - excellent in fact with JC and KR…. Anyway, yeah, that first building in Vampire$ looks too good and fatigued simultaneously, imo….
Oh no doubt The Thing was better -- can't really compare that to any of the man's other work save for, perhaps, Halloween.

It's funny about Carpenter's later work; the films were kind of so bad they were good, if you know what I mean....they just grow on you with repeat viewings. I eventually fell in love with Escape From L.A., Village of the Damned and Ghosts of Mars...

As did the demon’s previous turn of Trisha’s glammed up, lusty illusion “….you know my name” – DID NOT see that coming at all.
Oh I LOVED that turn of personalities -- I don't know how Adamsky wasn't sitting there without a stiffy when the demon switched gears to look like a slutty, ready-for-some-oral fun Trish, tongue wagging and everything....:dance::rock::banana:

Ending scenes
: The house raining within…uuhh….well, yup it’s ridiculous (with too much music also), but it looked good - the young crowds at the time probably didn’t care one whit LOL Haha…Just more Hollywood pandering to its target audience I guess….but if it were still and quiet, I think that w/have been creepier…and more realistic.
Yeah, I mean you do gotta just go with it....and I always do...but it still bothers me because it's just so ridiculous. Suddenly, when Adamsky gets to Sonny's room, the storm has vanished and everything is nice and peaceful (right before our beloved Montelli boy comes flying from the "rafters" screaming and hissing at our priest).

Deleted Scene
: Evidently there is a German VHS release including a cut scene of Sonny shooting his father first in the stomach. There are other deleted scenes as you mentioned with the lost souls, Jan trying to drown her brother in the bathtub, the trailer has the kids in the room which isn't in the film etc. Deleted scene:

Yeah -- I forgot about those other cut scenes (which are also available as stills online and elsewhere). Right...Jan and Mark (who are real life brother and sister...and wow, have you seen what kind of a hottie Jan turned out to be in real life?) in the bathtub...the image of them holding hands looking out a foggy window...the stomach shot during the murders...to say nothing of the anal rape sequence (how were we to know it was an ANAL rape, anyway, unless Young screams out something about "taking Delores' ass" along the way??) and the extended brother/sister scene...

DVD Special Features 2005
: Ok, I pulled out the 2005 Amityville Trilogy DVD set, and yes, the fourth Amityville Confidential DVD with the two History Channel episodes on Amityville….forgot all about them, Adam! I watched them again in the last few days. They were good for us fans – moved right along, capturing interviews with principle folks who have now passed away except the latter: Lutz’s, Weber, Holzer, E & L Warren, Laura D…. Now more of what you said made sense. …..plus, gosh, I’d say part of it is a hot mess of greed, jealousy and lawsuits as well LOL …great watch again after all these years. Drama outside of the house. Weber was a creep, if what the Lutz’s said was true (threat to talk to the kids at school, Weber suing the Lutz about parts of the story before production, DeFeo Jr getting some back-end payment from the production (!!) – that’s against the 1977 law: “Son of Sam”...if it could have been enforced around then)…hot mess LOL
Indeed; I love the narration on those documentaries, too -- the voiceover is rather chilling and fitting:

"Amityville. A quaint suburb on the south shore of Long Island, about an hour away from the hustle and bustle of New York City........."

Yeah, I mean, did you see what has gone on surrounding this case based on that analysis alone? The court battles, the lie detector tests, the way American International almost went under because of all this...

Reference
: Watching 2012’s My Amityville Horror with the angry Daniel Lutz, then re-reading the infamous Amityville Horror right afterwards….can give you a different perspective on George, as mentioned. Keep us updated
I shall.

Reference
: Amityville: The Final Chapter book …..ya know, I want to say I believe I read that a zillion years ago, b/c the cover is so familiar….but I don’t remember – looks interesting; I’m sure you are right that someone was stretching the $tory!
I would have believed pretty much everything that George had reported up until that point -- I mean, the demonic presence followed them to San Diego after they fled the house, attacked them during a picnic, boomed loud commandments to George in the middle of public places...I'm just not buying that.

I'll tell you this: John G. Jones, who made an entire living off milking the Amityville name as a cottage industry for as long as he possibly could, should be commended for taking the Lutz ordeal to dizzying new heights. He wrote a series of books -- too many to count, if memory serves -- about this supposed "prolonged demonic haunting" of the Lutz family, slapping the word "Amityville" on anything and everything. It's what lead to the onslaught of those terrible made-for-TV disasters like Amityville: The Evil Escapes, Amityville 1992: It's About Time, Amityville: A New Generation, Amityville Dollhouse, et al, et al...

I mean, just LOOK at this:


They didn't end there, either, as there are a SLEW of ridiculous, hammy, made-on-a-dime direct-to-video crap jobs that have the word Amityville in them, most of them having nothing to do with the town or the house. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Amityville: The Toilet Bowl by next October...

: And then there is Lalo Schifrin’s score ♫♪…. Similar to his work on Amityville Horror. But with part 2, I thought it was more foreboding with: aggressive-heavy cello (?), ghostly singing, and falling, dissonant melodies…. Really creepy I always thought. However, with briefer interludes, I think it was not as extensive as the first film, though with part 2, the score is....very dooming....
Absolutely agreed about the score; while the overtones are shared by the first two films, the child nursery rhyme-esque elements are even scarier and creepier in the sequel.
 
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...I watched this scene over and over, via the video you provided, and I STILL don't see the crew member's foot...
Great to read your thoughts, and those production pics. You should be a consultant on any future releases.

So here are the crew person's feet I circled in red on the left...and you can see them walk away as the camera (POV demon) moves...it's only a few seconds:
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obviously clearer on dvd, but here is the weblink again...starts around 2:10...
oh, and looking at all this sequence, I just now noticed that Sonny's shirt went up a button from the prior shot....another shock haha.
 
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Great to read your thoughts, and those production pics. You should be a consultant on any future releases.

So here are the crew person's feet I circled in red on the left...and you can see them walk away as the camera (POV demon) moves...it's only a few seconds:
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obviously clearer on dvd, but here is the weblink again...starts around 2:10...
oh, and looking at all this sequence, I just now noticed that Sonny's shirt went up a button from the prior shot....another shock haha.
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Jim...

I am going to have a look at the video again -- but I NEVER noticed those feet in all the years I'm watching this film. Very interesting.

And you said there's also a boom mic shadow, I think, in one shot?

Good catch on Sonny's shirt -- I wouldn't have noticed that, either...
 
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Hahahahahahaha....yeah, I see it now....as I said before, WOW...

Gonna have to see if I notice it when I watch the DVD....
 
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Cool deal - Glad you could see it. I will confess that I was only tipped off to it, in this film's imdb.com's "goofs" section a few years ago - otherwise I would have missed it....a few more items in there too.

Boom mic shadow....I actually think I'm wrong: if you watch the lamp shade (same video) at 2:00, there is a shadow that runs across it, that I think is some kind of camera equipment....but re-watching, I think it's just Magner's shadow.

The more you study this film, the filmmakers, actors and crew really seemed to work hard to make the best film they could, and I really think it's worth our study and admiration of certain parts.

In this episode in particular, what's cool about it, also, is that it starts with the subject (sonny) at the top of the house....going down through to the bottom depths of the house, then back up to the top again - making the choreography fun and giving another semi-tour of the set's house to a degree

(Goof: though when Sonny crawls back up, the top stair's landing loses its rug prop in continuity - see the same video at 3:15)

.....Without giving away too many of the film's dramatic moments (aka spoilers) - in our discussions (gulp) - back to Jack Magner and the film style.... I was also was chilled at the end of the episode when the priest's blessing gave the illusion of blood, then to water.....THEN in a weird camera angle, Sonny-possessed falls back on the bed, and gives a throaty laugh.
 
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Cool deal - Glad you could see it. I will confess that I was only tipped off to it, in this film's imdb.com's "goofs" section a few years ago - otherwise I would have missed it....a few more items in there too.

Boom mic shadow....I actually think I'm wrong: if you watch the lamp shade (same video) at 2:00, there is a shadow that runs across it, that I think is some kind of camera equipment....but re-watching, I think it's just Magner's shadow.

The more you study this film, the filmmakers, actors and crew really seemed to work hard to make the best film they could, and I really think it's worth our study and admiration of certain parts.

In this episode in particular, what's cool about it, also, is that it starts with the subject (sonny) at the top of the house....going down through to the bottom depths of the house, then back up to the top again - making the choreography fun and giving another semi-tour of the set's house to a degree

(Goof: though when Sonny crawls back up, the top stair's landing loses its rug prop in continuity - see the same video at 3:15)

.....Without giving away too many of the film's dramatic moments (aka spoilers) - in our discussions (gulp) - back to Jack Magner and the film style.... I was also was chilled at the end of the episode when the priest's blessing gave the illusion of blood, then to water.....THEN in a weird camera angle, Sonny-possessed falls back on the bed, and gives a throaty laugh.
Good catches on the additional continuity...

As for that sequence when Adamsky is tricked into thinking blood is coming out of the sprinkler, you're right -- that's a wicked scene. And Rutanya Alda's ear-piercing shriek as it happens really bellows if you have the volume up high enough...

Here's some info: On the MGM DVD I have, which came along in the box set we both own, that following scene after Magner cackles on the bed -- when Olson is walking with his superior from the church -- exhibits a weird "pulsing" as if something went wrong with the transfer at that point...

Can you confirm if your Amityville II disc does this?
 
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Good catches on the additional continuity...

As for that sequence when Adamsky is tricked into thinking blood is coming out of the sprinkler, you're right -- that's a wicked scene. And Rutanya Alda's ear-piercing shriek as it happens really bellows if you have the volume up high enough...

Here's some info: On the MGM DVD I have, which came along in the box set we both own, that following scene after Magner cackles on the bed -- when Olson is walking with his superior from the church -- exhibits a weird "pulsing" as if something went wrong with the transfer at that point...

Can you confirm if your Amityville II disc does this?
Hey Adam,
Ok, I just watched and re-watched the men walking in the colonnade .....part of me thinks the pulsing is the exchange of natural, harsh mid-day sunlight coming above/behind the two men via behind the colonnade's columns intermediately shading the sun - & the backtracking camera not handling the differing exposure well....sort of... then on the other hand, the pulsing also seems out of sync with the passing colonnade's shadows, so it may indeed be an issue with the transfer as you say...in fact watching it a few times I think you are right.

Additionally, I was curious about the widescreen vs the full screen video image information.....
Particularly, if the full screen was pan and scan, showing less. Or full screen was "open matte," to show more picture real estate above and below (that can be the case w/ films shot around 1.85:1 like Amityville II). The scenes I compared, it looks like full screen is indeed pan and scan. The widescreen shows about the same top and bottom levels, but substantially more information on the sides. :mellow:
 
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Hey Adam,
Ok, I just watched and re-watched the men walking in the colonnade .....part of me thinks the pulsing is the exchange of natural, harsh mid-day sunlight coming above/behind the two men via behind the colonnade's columns intermediately shading the sun - & the backtracking camera not handling the differing exposure well....sort of... then on the other hand, the pulsing also seems out of sync with the passing colonnade's shadows, so it may indeed be an issue with the transfer as you say...in fact watching it a few times I think you are right.

Additionally, I was curious about the widescreen vs the full screen video image information.....
Particularly, if the full screen was pan and scan, showing less. Or full screen was "open matte," to show more picture real estate above and below (that can be the case w/ films shot around 1.85:1 like Amityville II). The scenes I compared, it looks like full screen is indeed pan and scan. The widescreen shows about the same top and bottom levels, but substantially more information on the sides. :mellow:
So you DO see the "pulsing" of the screen I'm talking about? If so, that means more than one batch received this disc with this error...

I wonder if the Scream Factory Blu-ray exhibits this, though I never see any review mention it.
 
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