Patrick Sun
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Did they even address Spidey's "spidey-sense" yet in this film? I think maybe once, but it was a fleeting moment.
They did not, that's sort of the point. The 'origin story' isn't over and it shouldn't be. Similarly I liked how even at the end of the film Parker was just starting to realize the full potential of his web-slinging on the cranes.Patrick Sun said:Did they even address Spidey's "spidey-sense" yet in this film? I think maybe once, but it was a fleeting moment.
Spoiler alert: Spider-Man is always going to live through every fight so there's no tension to begin with.JonZ said:A film isnt a comic book - and I cant think of anything that would kill tension of a character joking constantly when he should be fighting for his life.
Doesnt mean he will win every fight. Point is still that when a character is fighting to stay alive, he shouldnt be constantly joking.Originally Posted by TravisR /t/254830/spider-man-4-july-3rd-2012/510#post_3945091
Spoiler alert: Spider-Man is always going to live through every fight so there's no tension to begin with.
Arguing that a comic book character shouldn't be cracking wise, umm ok.JonZ said:Doesnt mean he will win every fight. Point is still that when a character is fighting to stay alive, he shouldnt be constantly joking.
It also doesnt do the villian any favors either is Spidey is constantly shooting one liners at them.
I think the Spiderman comics were always pretty spot on with the zingers he used to dish out. Most times if it was a bad guy that he could handle easily, or didn't feel he was in much danger he would hand them out one after the other(normal thugs, The Beetle). If he were fighting a terribly dangerous opponent(Scorpion, Dock Ock) he wasn't so comedic. Or at least until he got smacked around enoough to know he might not get out alive.JonZ said:Doesnt mean he will win every fight. Point is still that when a character is fighting to stay alive, he shouldnt be constantly joking.
It also doesnt do the villian any favors either is Spidey is constantly shooting one liners at them.
While I've read Spider-Man for close to a couple decades now, I know there's people in this thread that are much more well-versed in Spidey lore than me but your take on Spider-Man's wisecracks is the same as mine.Bryan^H said:I think the Spiderman comics were always pretty spot on with the zingers he used to dish out. Most times if it was a bad guy that he could handle easily, or didn't feel he was in much danger he would hand them out one after the other(normal thugs, The Beetle). If he were fighting a terribly dangerous opponent(Scorpion, Dock Ock) he wasn't so comedic. Or at least until he got smacked around enoough to know he might not get out alive.
Originally Posted by DaveF /t/254830/spider-man-4-july-3rd-2012/540#post_3945638
To my surprise, I enjoyed the movie a good deal. It was a satisfying two hours in the theater. Spidey tells pretty coherent story with a hero and villain who make sense. I enjoyed it more than The Avengers, which was more about the character pieces, than having a coherent story.
There ate some gaps and overly rapid character changes. But it worked. The story, the emotional arc, were good.
And it didn't commit then grievous sin of putting Wilem Dafoe in a mask.
Originally Posted by TravisR /t/254830/spider-man-4-july-3rd-2012/540#post_3945749
I liked the last 30 minutes well enough but the first 45 minutes were wasted telling an origin that virtually everyone already knows. Even if a handful of people don't know Spider-Man's origin, it could have been summed up in an opening credit montage. If they dropped the origin, the movie would have been under 90 minutes, I'd have been happier and Sony could have saved millions of dollars. Overall, it's not a terrible movie but I doubt I'll ever bother watching this again.
I far preferred it to Dafoe in a mask. The former is decent FX. the latter is a crime against Dafoe's incomparable expressiveness.Colin Jacobson said:But it did turn Rhys Ifans into an unconvincing reptile!
I definitely agree with that. I've seen Emma Stone in enough stuff that I just assumed that she'd be good and I've only seen Andrew Garfield in The Social Network (where he was very good) so he was more of a wildcard but I thought they both did well.Sam Favate said:Garfield and Stone are terrific; those two will have great careers if they make the right choices.
I had no desire to see it either. I also had very low expectations and also enjoyed the original 3 films. I would recommend checking it out. you might like it.Robert Crawford said:That's why I have no interest in seeing this film. I almost felt the same way about the new Bourne film, but have changed my mind once I learned a little more about what that storyline is going to be in that film.
Originally Posted by Simon Massey /t/254830/spider-man-4-july-3rd-2012/540#post_3946206
Seems like a lot of criticism is aimed at them telling the origin story again. I really enjoyed the origin part and thought it was much better than the Raimi version but then I know a lot loved the Raimi film and can see why many view it as a waste. That said does this mean we should dismiss Man of Steel as I think the Superman origin story has been done pretty well already. Batman Begins was only 15 or so years after the burton version I think. If there was something that people didn't like about the origin story in this film fair enough but I don't think it should be dismissed solely for telling the origin again.
Seems to me they are setting up a lot of things for the sequel though I do think they should have addressed something about Peter's parents in the actual film ( it was a selling point of the trailer ) and also they left one of the characters to disappear after the bridge sequence ( Osborn's assistant can't remember is name ) - would have been better to kill him off really. The post credit sequence was also pointless. Another odd moment - the transition from him creating the suit and the first time we see the POV shots of him in the suit and then to him on the top of the skyscraper seem very poorly edited and felt like they had been cut at the last minute.