What happened to the great promise of the stand alone Blu-Ray recorders I heard were on the way....about 5 years ago? Apparently two of the biggest names in electronics(Panasonic, and Sony) launched these devices many years ago in both Japan, and the UK. Not sure what happened. Did they flop? well obviously they didn't do what the market demanded because they never saw the light of day in the U.S. [VIDEO]http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gcUbeD_3hk[/VIDEO] I think it would be absolutely fantastic to record HD materiel off TV, but as it satnds it is pretty limited. One JVC model is in fact available but rather steep($2,500). I want the calvary to come charging in(other manufacturers) to lower the prices on these beautiful machines. [VIDEO]http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Z3Ie8jvrw[/VIDEO] ^ This video is from 2007 ^ Lets face it the DVD recorder market is all but dead(Maganavox and Toshiba are currently the main manufacturers) and they are mighty cheap in every regard. Sony, and Panasonic jumped ship a few years back. The chances of buying a high end dvd recorder no longer exist. That is why a Blu-Ray recoder would be the next logical step in fancy new hardware. Are we destined for a non physical media future? I hope not.