Alias 11/17/02

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  1. Patrick Sun

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    Getting this week's Alias thread started: Will Sydney be able to save Vaughn from the terrible virus affliction he's suffering from? Will her mother give up the antidote information? Is Sloane been driven over the edge yet in seeing fleeting Emily appearance around town?
     
  2. Patrick Sun

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    You have to wonder if Sark has blown Sydney's cover with Sloane with that piece of paper. The implications are scary as hell for both Sydney and Jack.

    Vaughn...what a dope!

    Will is getting himself deeper and deeper into some standardize testing doo doo.
     
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    Holy crap in a hand basket! I love this show. That's all I'll say for now [​IMG] .
     
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    Ok, Sark is her step brother.

    This is getting interesting. In two weeks we have Syd, Jack, and "The Man" working "together" on a mission. Syd should have killed Sloane when she had the chance. She'll need to have a good story to get herself out of this situation.
     
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    You have to wonder if Sydney didn't just crap her panties after seeing Sloane alive, and then getting the double whammy of seeing Sark in the same room, and then having Sark have the goods on her and her dad.
     
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    I love the way that Irena Derevko's character has been written, and the way that Lena Olin is acting it. Wonderful stuff, because she is giving up nothing. No emotion at all (or very damned little of it), as opposed to Syd who wears her heart on her sleeve. Vaughn is doing his best to resist, but in the end he'll lose the battle (resistance is futile!!).

    And what the hell was on that piece of paper to make Sloan so damned interested that he would strike a deal with Sark (not that he had much of a choice at the time). Bringing Sark to the Alliance is a MAJOR feather in Sloan's cap, so he's Mr. Happy-Happy again.

    I have to believe that Emily is really dead, and that the one pulling the strings on her "appearances" and driving Sloan insane is someone on the Alliance, possibly together with Sark. I don't think Jack is involved (IMO). Perhaps that was what was on the piece of paper (Emily's fate and evidence of the conspiracy to discredit Sloan). Then again, Sark handed Sloan the piece of paper as evidence that he (Sark) was not the one to plot Sloan's assassination, so Emily's fate might not make sense.

    Now we have to wait TWO weeks. CRAP!!
     
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    Oh year, Irina is "The Man". The guy playing Kasinov was just a front, to throw people off the trail.

    I'm pretty certain that Sark knows of Sydney's dual secret agent life, it's his bargaining chip, his "get-out-of-jail-free" card down the road.
     
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    Ah, but what does Sark truly know... only that Sidney was willing to trade Sloane's life for someone else's. It may be a short hop from there to 'double agent' but it does not, in fact, make it undeniable [​IMG] .
    I also agree, though, that what Sark knows about Sidney, he knows about Jack. Jack was also on their little covert mission so Sark knows that Jack was involved.
     
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    I tend to think that Sark did not rat out Sid or Jack on The Paper, but does plan to hold their involvement in Sloane's kidnapping over their heads as a bargaining chip.

    Given how secure Sloane seemed to be feeling, I'm suspicious that Sark gave him the solution to the Emily mystery instead.

    Be interested to see how long they hold this over our heads. The last time there was something like this (Jack's framing of Irina), I was expecting it to be held off for a while, but they paid it off in the next two or three episodes.
     
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    We know that Kazinow knew about Jack and Syd's double-agent status from last season, when he was trying to use Will to expose SD-6 and, therefore, Jack and Syd. And we can assume that Sark knows what Kazinow knew. Sark must know that Irena is in CIA custody, but I'm not sure that Sloan knew it. Perhaps that was part of the "revelation" on the paper.

    Think of it this way. Sark knows that Irena is in CIA custody, and he also knows that Syd is working for the CIA. So Sark knows that Syd knows that Irena is in CIA custody. But Syd does NOT know that Sark knows anout Irena, although she may suspect it. If Sark told Sloan that Irena is in CIA custody, it is conceivable that Sloan could give Syd the mission to break into CIA and retrieve Irena for SD-6's purposes. So....Sloan would be oblivious to the incredible irony of the mission, while Sark sits back and laughs his ass off at putting Syd in such a compromising position.

    My head hurts....
     
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    I think the paper was a new plot element. Plus, I can see Sark and Syd starting to work together. They both want SD-6 (and the whole Alliance) eliminated. Just for different reasons.

    As soon as Vaughn professess his love for Syd (or vice versa), the show will have taken a dangerous path. She can't date him, as SD-6 would figure it out. I think they have to stay as they are now.
     
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    Sydney knows Sark worked for Kasinau, and that would mean that Irina would know about Sark, so Sydney should know that Sark worked for Irina (and probably still does). My head hurts now.
     
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    interesting idea about the step-brother. I just figured Derevko was trying to set syd up with sark. This season is excellent so far. No sense at all that they're going to burn out early on storylines.
     
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    Looks like everybody is still confused about who knows what. [​IMG]
    Irina is "The Man". Khasinau was Irina's second in command/partner. Sark worked for Irina/Khasinau but with Irina captured and Khasinau dead, he is now the acting head of the organization. Sark knows Syd is working for SD-6. It's not clear yet (to me anyway) if he knows if Syd is also working for the CIA. I don't think Sark knows Irina was captured by the CIA - if he also thought Syd worked for CIA, he could have used the opportunity to get Syd to have Irina released instead of trying to recruit Syd to kill Sloane. I don't think Sark knows about Will's connection to the CIA - Will never gave up any information when he was captured. I suspect Sark thinks Will is with SD-6 because of Will's connection with Syd. I don't think "The Paper" had anything to do with Syd & Jack because the whole premise of the show is that Syd & Jack are double agents. I'm thinking it has something to do with Emily.
     
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    I'm still not convinced Irina is "The Man". It has only been implied. Remember when she asked Syd about shooting her in the interrogation room?
    Irina wasn't captured; she gave herself in. Why'd she do that then? The only reason I can think of, if is she's the evil mastermind we've all assumed her to be, is that she wants to turn Sydney. But then, she was presumably in control of Sark, and somehow forgot to tell him not to kill Syd should he see her. Later on, she killed Khasinau. Why? Doesn't add up. Her "help" to Syd from behind bars could come from the book she took from Khasinau, and her own research up to that point. Perhaps she's simply a disavowed agent, working alone, and wants to reconcile with Sydney. The only way she can get to see Sydney is to pretend to be someone she's not.
     
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    When Sloan introduced Sydney to Sark did he say "I don't believe you've met Mr. Sark?" or did he say "I believe you've met Mr. Sark?" I thought I heard him say "don't" which would confirm to me that Sark knows Syd is a double-agent because in Sloan's mind if Syd and Sark have met before, it's only in the context of an SD-6 mission. However, they clearly *have* met before which would be in the context of something outside of SD-6, ie her working for the CIA.

    If Sloan simply said "I believe you've met Mr. Sark." Then that doesn't really tell us anything new.

    My gut reaction to the piece of paper is that it was about Emily. HOWEVER, if that's the case Sloan should be all the more concerned - not relieved. How would Sark know enough about Sloan to collect information about Emily in the first place?
     
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    If the contents of the paper were related to Emily, Sloan would be relieved because he would have an answer about what was happening there, over and above the insurance he was able to gain from the Alliance by presenting Sark as his prize.

    Sloan knew that Syd had run into Sark in Siberia, I believe, so I doubt there was any hidden intent in his introduction.
     

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