Alias 01/12/03: The Getaway

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  1. Patrick Sun

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    Many storylines were just about wrapped up tonight:

    1. Jack finally gets Kane off his tail, and finds the dirt to do her in.

    2. Michael and Sydney figure out that conspicuous "dating" just isn't a good idea between the two of them.

    3. Sloane did fake Emily's death and she did have her ring finger chopped off as the price for her life.
     
  2. Jason Seaver

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    And, let me just say this... Does any show do a better teaser than Alias? Before the credits have rolled, we get a slick set piece in a movie theater, a clever reference to the show's pilot, a nifty "Spy Hunter" moment, and so much more. I've complained on the various Enterprise threads about that show's "teasers that don't", so it's only fair to acknolwedge that this show does a better job of hooking the audience in the first few minutes than any other hour on television.
     
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    Joel-
    Sydney driving up, opening the door and telling her dad to get in when he's escaping at the begining of the episode is virtually identical to a scene in Truth Be Told, only with Sydney and Jack's positions reversed.

    Loved the Knight Rider escape. Also the in-joke where the waiter tells Vaughn that he "speaks French better than I do" (for those who don't know, Michael Vartan was born and partially raised in France). And Weis is back! Yeah! Will Greg Grunberg juggle both this and his new show? Hopefully so. Nicely wrapped up several plotlines too, although I'm sad that Faye Dunaway is leaving permanently (like Roger Moore, I was hoping they'd bring her back again later). Can't wait for that big superbowl episode!
    - Guy
     
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    Holy crap. This show is magnificant.

    Jason Quillen, I suggest you throw your TV set away if this show isn't doing it for ya (or at least, stop watching Alias). This show is easily the best written show on your set today. 'Lazy writing'? Not a chance.

    You can tell the writers care about this show. The pay-off of wrapping up the 'Emily' story was awesome, superbly written, acted, and directed. That is, if it is, in fact, wrapped up... you never know with this show.
     
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    Jason Q-

    I suspect your problem is, simply, that you don't like where the show is going. Nothing wrong with that. It *is* quite different from last season, much more drama and less ass kicking, gratuitous action (though there is certainly still quite a bit of that).

    I think they've done a LOT with SpyMommy, and this episode was no different. I loved her "When I was your wife..." comment. Jack is slowly beginning to rely on her again, despite his best intentions.

    And "lazy writing"? I can think of no series this year that set up as intricate a storyline as Emily's faux death and actually managed to pull it off. Ask me last week, and I'd say the Emily plot was in danger of spiraling out of control. This week, it wraps up in the most unexpected, yet entirely earned, fashion possible.
     
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    The question is: will Sloane be back to lead a double life (sort of like Syd and Jack [​IMG] ), or is he now effectively "in hiding" permanently? On the one hand, I hope he reappears, since IMO Ron Rifkin is by far the best actor in the series, but on the other hand, we can now have the episode where Jack takes over SD-6 permanently (joining the Alliance council?), and perhaps letting Dixon and some of the others into the secret. Or, perhaps, shut down SD-6 and move onto SD-5...
     
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    He'll be back. That's why he was so concerned about the device that blocked his implant. If he was planning on staying gone, he would've disappeared with Emily right off the bat.

    I love that Slone outfoxed the Bristows (except, maybe, Irina at the end there). And while I agree that Ron Rifkin is a wonderful actor, I don't think anyone can hold a candle to the amazing Victor Garber when it comes to acting on Alias. I still think that his loss at the Emmys was a great injustice (as was 24's loss to The West Wing, and the lack of a nomination for Alias, for that matter).
     
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    I'm a huge Buffy fan, but try telling me that season seven isn't full of lazy writing and I'll be forced to discount your opinion entirely. Parhaps I should've mentioned that I was referring only to post The Gift Buffy.

    Season seven has *no* subplots AT ALL, the show has become a dull soap opera with flat, dull characters, Selfless and CwDP notwithstanding (the only two episodes of "real" Buffy in years, discounting the gimmick of OMwF and Normal Again).

    And you complain about the Alias "re-hash" yet have praised Him, the shittiest retread episode of Buffy ever written (correct me if I'm wrong, but you did say you liked it in the Buffy thread, IIRC). It was a good episode, when it was called Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered. When it was ages of Dawn whining and the rest of the characters acting ludicrously out of character, and the writers once again degrading their heroine by having her dry hump a teenager, it was called Him and it sucked. No matter how many physical gags with a bazooka go on in the background.

    Oh, I did like Help... that season one episode that many refer to as Prophecy Girl.

    Lazy writing galore with the First (Jack is inconsistent? Explain why it took like 7 episodes to get enough blood to raise Ube, or why the First was able to blow up all the Watchers but can't seem to take care of Casa Summers... Buffy nearly gets killed by the Ubervamp, then manages, but a day or so later, to once again fight him sans weapons, except this time, she wins because she decides she's going to? Why doesn't she decide to win the Lotto and buy the writers a dictionary so they can look up the word "continuity"?).

    Or, maybe, the utter uselessness of Xander (he's almost as useless as Francie), the character assassination of Willow, the continued intrusion of Dawn (who, in effect, renders all those S1-4 episodes we love so much non-existant, since the gang remembers them *with* her included... barf), the cheeseball "is he or isn't he?" handling of Giles that's likely to end in disaster, and, oh yeah, the fact that NOTHING has happened since perhaps Sleeper that couldn't have been condensed into one epsode. And I didn't even mention Spike.

    When Buffy was good, the Big Bad arc played out throughout the season at a low boil, allowing for character interaction and stand alone episodes that were packed with humor and intelligence, and those metaphors about the "real world" you love so much. Tell me, how exactly is season seven of Buffy REMOTELY like the real world? Buffy lost the metaphor last year, which was about growing up only if you live in the bizarro world of constant pain and depression. Buffy and Co. went from college kids to haggard middle aged depressives, particularly Buffy herself, who now only lives to show Dawn the world? Fuck that.

    We clearly disagree about the merits of Alias, but Buffy season seven, despite the surface cool of an epic story, is pretty piss poor, and if I hadn't fallen in love with the characters over five of the last six years, I'd quit watching.
     
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    I thought last night's ep of Alias was solid. One thing only vaguely referenced by most of you was Syd and Vaughn's dinner. They did something really cool with that scene: both characters now KNOW they are attracted to each other and have romantic yearnings. However, thanks to Kane's minions, they were prevented from acting on those desires. Vaugh and Syd subsequently decide that it wasn't the smartest thing to do, but can't bring themselves to completely walk away from each other, insisting they stay together for "work's sake."

    JJ Abrams did something really cool here: he actually gave the viewers something to chew on - Syd and Vaughn recognizing and acknowledging the mutual attraction - but managed to keep the tension by refusing to let them sleep together. I think we'll see a bit of cooling off between them for a while, but because the characters BOTH know how the other feels, the show can move forward and see what happens witht them together and as individuals.

    Also, really liked seeing Jack kick some ass in the beginning of the show - most of the time, he seems very coiled and observant, and was cool showing him using his fighting skills.

    I think Sloane intends to stay gone, but something will draw him out.

    What do y'all think happened to Kane? Did Sloane have her killed?
     
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    For those who watched Alias last night in HDTV, was this episode more grainier than usual?
    The new ring that Sloane has is just like the pen that Jack has in that it allows Sloane to talk freely when it's activated, but he can't keep it on all the time or the Alliance would be wondering why he's driving around the 405 all the time listening to the radio. [​IMG]
    I love the Jack and Irina scenes because they are playing such a dangerous game of cat-n-mouse. Jack still has the hots for Irina, but he keeps having to tell himself to think with his head, not his...heart.
    Michael and Sydney reached that romantic impasse with this close call with Kane's henchmen. (It's like the same "smart" writing that the writers on "Ed" are doing with Ed and Carol by keeping them apart, meaning you lose a lot of steam if you let Michael and Sydney "get together", so they'll keep dancing around the issue for a while longer).
     
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    Garber's pretty much become my favorite, too - I love how he'll seem cold, and almost reptilian, but get completely irrational when the subject of Irina comes up. It may not be the most complex performance, but it's great to watch.
     
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    Why do people think Sloane is leaving the show? By his, "We are free" statement I figured he meant he was free to visit and spend time with his wife. I'm sure he'll still be going full bore at SD-6.

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