FWIW, I did a search in the past 45 days and tried to come up with something but It didn't answer all my questions. Hey guys(and gals), My birthday is coming up soon and I'm trying to think of a birthday gift. I currently have a high end gaming pc which is used primarily for Everquest(MMORPG), First Person Shooters, and some action titles from time to time but sports games on my old Playstation and N64 are old and the ones for the PC suck IMHO. Thus I'm thinking about picking up a console(either PS2 or X-box). I've weighed the differences back and forth and need some help. The games I tend to play on Playstation are PLatform games like Sonic, Mario etc, Sports(football, golf etc), and Action titles like Max Payne, Splinter Cell/Silent Hill/etc. I don't own an HDTV(I do own a 32" with component inputs) and a decent 5.1 audio system. I'd probably run composite for the most part but might spend the extra on component cables pending an answer: As for what deals I'm able to find I found deals like: 1. Pre-owned Xbox and Halo for $149.(gamestop) 2. New in the Box Xbox bundle -$199 3. Refurb xbox $149(gamestop) 4. Refurb PS2- $165 5. NIB PS2 - $199 no games. Are there any better deals out there? I'm trying to keep this below $200. Quick comparions if I can: Xbox -Hard Drive(problems?) compared to a memory card thus cheaper initial cost. Xbox -better graphics but from what I've seen not mindblowing enough to sway me either way. Ps2-more games. Anything I can't get on xbox that will sway me? Then again the Xbox seems from what I can tell has all the games I would want(or does it?) Ps2- more stable game company. I have a concern the xbox won't last. Reasonable fear? Then again Microsoft doesn't back down to anybody. Ps2 - Backward compatibility but I honestly wouldn't play any of my old games. The graphics are not that appealing anymore. Both have online play of some sorts but I dont' care about that right now. Based on what games I will play(and your opinion on those and whats coming out), what should I buy? I'm leaning towards the X-Box(bundle) with nfl2k3 to tide me over sports wise or the pre-owned deal with Halo(to keep me busy) and pick up nfl2k3 to go with it. I'd be saving $50. Is that worth it? or does the pre-owned xbox type deals run a unnecessary risk? Is there anything on the ps2 that would sway me game wise that I should be aware of? Or vise versa? Also, I heard a rumor of a pricedrop coming soon during e3. I'm thinking they will drop the price of both consoles to ~$150 but I'm not sure when E3 is. Any advice is appreciated.