AFI "Cheers" Nominations

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  1. Lew Crippen

    Lew Crippen Executive Producer

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    I have not seen any discussion of the latest AFI nominations—this time the category is Cheers. The AFI defines this as Movies that inspire with characters of vision and conviction who face adversity and often make a personal sacrifice for the greater good. Whether these movies end happily or not, they are ultimately triumphant – both filling audiences with hope and empowering them with the spirit of human potential.

    There are 300 nominated films, 100 less than for previous categories. It can only be assumed that Hollywood has not made many movies about personal sacrifice.

    12 Angry Men
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    8 Mile
    9 to 5
    Abe Lincoln in Illinois
    Adventures of Robin Hood, The
    Affair to Remember, An
    African Queen, The
    Air Force
    Alamo, The
    Ali
    All the President's Men
    American History X
    American President, The
    Amistad
    Angels in the Outfield
    Antowne Fisher
    Apollo 13
    Awakenings
    Babe
    Babe Ruth Story. The
    Babes in Arms
    Bad News Bears, The
    Bang the Drum Slowly
    Bataan
    Beau Geste
    Beautiful Mind, A
    Ben-Hur (1926)
    Ben-Hur (1959)
    Benji
    Best Years of our Lives
    Bible, The
    Big Country, The
    Birdman of Alcatraz
    Bishop's Wife, The
    Black Stallion, The
    Blackboard Jungle
    Born on the Fourth of July
    Boys Town
    Braveheart
    Breakfast Club
    Breaking Away
    Bridge on the River Kwai, The
    Bridges of Toko-Ri, The
    Captains Courageous
    Carousel
    Casablanca
    Cast Away
    Champ, The
    Chariots of Fire
    Children of a Lesser God
    Christmas Carol
    City Lights
    Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    Coal Miner's Daughter
    Cocoon
    Color of Money, The
    Color Purple, The
    Coming Home
    Conrack
    Cool Hand Luke
    Cool Runnings
    Cop Land
    Cowboys, The
    Cry Freedom
    Dances with Wolves
    Dark Victory
    Dave
    Day the Earth Stood Still, The
    Dead Man Walking
    Dead Poet's Society
    Defiant Ones, The
    Destination Tokyo
    Destry Rides Again
    Diary of Anne Frank, The
    Dirty Dancing
    Dirty Dozen, The
    Disraeli
    Do the Right Thing
    Dr. Ehrilch's Magic Bullet
    Driving Miss Daisy
    Dumbo
    E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
    Edison, the Man
    El Cid
    Erin Brockovich
    Exodus
    Fame
    Ferris Bueller's Day Off
    Fiddler on the Roof
    Field of Dreams
    Finding Neverland
    Flashdance
    Footloose
    Forrest Gump
    Four Feathers
    Free Willy
    Freshman, The
    Fried Green Tomatoes
    Gandhi
    General, The
    Gentleman's Agreement
    Ghost
    Gladiator
    Glory
    Go, Man, Go!
    God is My Co-Pilot
    Godspell
    Going My Way
    Gon with the Wind
    Good Earth, The
    Good Morning, Vietnam
    Good Will Hunting
    Goodbye, Mr. Chips
    Gorillas in the Mist: The Story of Dian Fossey
    Grapes of Wrath, The
    Great Escape, The
    Green Mile, The
    Grreatest Storey Ever Told, The
    Guadalcanal Diary
    Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
    Gunga Din
    Guns of Navarone, The
    Guy Named Joe, A
    Harold and Maude
    Heidi
    Hero
    High Noon
    Hoosiers
    Hotel Rwanda
    How the West Was Won
    Hurricane, The
    I Am Sam
    Ice Castles
    In the Heat of the Night
    Incredible Journey, The
    Inn of the Sixth Happiness, The
    Insider, The
    It's a Wonderful Day
    Jackie Robinson Story, The
    Jerry Maguire
    Jesus Christ Superstar
    Jim Thorpe - All-American
    Joan of Arc
    Jonathan Livingston Seagull
    Joy Luck Club, The
    Karate Kid, The
    Keys of the Kingdom, The
    Kid, The
    Killing Fields, The
    King of Kings, The (1927)
    King of Kings, The (1961)
    Knute Rockne All American
    Lassie Come Home
    Last Temptation of Christ, The
    Lawrence of Arabia
    League of Their Own, A
    Lean On Me
    Life of Emile Zola, The
    Liles of the Field
    Lion King, The
    Little Orphan Annie
    Longest Day, The
    Longest Yard, The
    Lord of the Rings, The: Fellowship of the Ring, The
    Lorenzo's Oil
    Lost Weekend, The
    Love Story
    Madame Curie
    Magfificent Seven, The
    Malcolm X
    Man for All Seasons, A
    Mark of Zorro, The
    Marty
    Mary Poppins
    Mask
    Meet Joan Doe
    Men, The
    Midway
    Mighty Ducks, The
    Million Dollar Mermaid
    Miracle
    Miracle on 34th Street
    Miracle Worker, The
    Mission, The
    Mississippi Burning
    Moulin Rouge!
    Mr. Deeds Goes to Town
    Mr. Holland's Opus
    Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
    Mrs. Miniver
    Music of the Heart
    My Fair Lady
    My Family, Mi Familia
    Mystery, Alaska
    National Velvet
    Natrual, The
    Norma Rae
    North Dallas Forty
    Nun's Story, The
    October Sky
    Officer and a Gentleman, An
    Oliver!
    On Golden Pond
    On the Waterfront
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Our Vines Have Tender Grapes
    Paper Chase, The
    Passion of the Christ, The
    Patton
    Philadelphia
    Pinocchio
    Places in the Heart
    Pocketful of Miracles
    Pollyanna (1920)
    Pollyanna (1960)
    Pride of the Marines
    Pride of the Yankees
    PT 109
    Queen Christna
    Quo Vadis
    Rain Man
    Rambo: First Blood Part II
    Rasin in the Sun, A
    Ray
    Red Badge of Courage, The
    Reds
    Regarding Henry
    Remember the Titans
    Revemge pf the Neerds
    Right Stuff, The
    Robe, The
    Robin Hood
    Rocky
    Rollerball
    Rookie, The
    Rudy
    Run Silent, Run Deep
    Sands of Iwo Jima
    Saturday Night Fever
    Saving Private Ryan
    Scent of a Woman
    Schindler's List
    Seabiscuit
    Searching for Bobby Fischer
    Sergeant York
    Serpico
    Shaft
    Shane
    Shawshank Redemption
    Silkwood
    Sleepless in Seattle
    So Proudly We Hail!
    Sombody Up There Likes Me
    Song of Bernadette
    Sound of Music, The
    Sounder
    Sparrows
    Spartacus
    Spider-Man 2
    Spirit of St. Louis, The
    Ssince You Went Away
    Stagecoach
    Stand and Deliver
    Stand by Me
    Stand Up and Cheer!
    Star Wars
    Story of Alexander Graham Bell, The
    Story of Louis Pasteus, The
    Straight Story, The
    Sullivan's Travels
    Sunrise at Campobello
    Superman
    Sweet Charity
    Ten Commandments, The
    Thelma & Louise
    Thief of Bagdad, The
    Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
    To Hell and Back
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    Top Gun
    Tree Grows in Brooklyn, A
    Truman Show, The
    Unmarried Woman, An
    Verdict, The
    What's Love Got to Do with It
    Wild One, The
    Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
    Wings
    Winning Team, The
    With a Song in My Heart
    Wizard of Oz, The
    Woithout Limits
    Working Girl
    Yankee Doodle Dandy
    Yentl
    You Can't Take it with You
    Young Mr. Lincoln
    Young Tom Edison
    Zorba the Greek

    Your comments are invited.
     
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  3. Walter Kittel

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    I posted this breakdown over at another forum...

    Number of nominees by decade:

    1920s: 12 - 4%
    1930s: 26 - 8.66%
    1940s: 43 - 14.33%
    1950s: 36 - 12%
    1960s: 35 - 11.66%
    1970s: 34 - 11.33%
    1980s: 48 - 16%
    1990s: 47 - 15.66%
    2000s: 19 - 6.33%

    The list is a mixed bag for me, with some great selections along with some 'what were they thinking?' choices. (Rambo: First Blood Part II, WTF?)

    I would have enjoyed seeing films such as My Bodyguard, Tender Mercies, or Twelve O'Clock High make the nominee list, but since some of my favorites are present I can't complain too much.

    - Walter.
     
  4. george kaplan

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    Lew,

    Buenos Dias! I am curious about your thoughts about some of the films in this list. I know we disagree about the merits of Do The Right Thing, but I'm curious if it strikes you as a film that belongs on a Cheers list?
     
  5. Lew Crippen

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    This early opinion is subject to change, as I’ve not thought about this film in this light.

    However even though I understand (and sympathize with) many of the actions that others find repugnant, I don’t think that (other than perhaps ‘Da Mayor) anyone’s actions meet the test of ‘the common good’.

    Of course (along with Walter) I suspect that I will think that many of the movies making the final cut won’t pass that test either.

    So on balance, I’d probably like to see Do the Right Thing on the final list.
     
  6. Brook K

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    Bridge on the River Kwai? Isn't vision and conviction the problem in that film with the "wise-cracking loose cannon" saving the day? Certainly not a film I would describe as cheery or filling me with hope.

    Sleepless in Seattle? The inspiring vision and conviction to get my dad a date? [​IMG]

    DTRT is certainly more worthy than pro-establishment pics like Driving Miss Daisy and Forrest Gump.

    [​IMG] on the inclusion of The Straight Story and Searching for Bobby Fischer.
     
  7. Adam Lenhardt

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    To Kill a Mockingbird will of course place close to the top, since Atticus is as close to a model of their definition as you can get. I hope that One Flew Over the Cockoo's Nest places highly as well.
     
  8. Lew Crippen

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    I agree with Brook in the overkill of some predictable, commercial, routine, feel-good movies (on my dislike list would be Love Story, Lilies of the Field with the consequent exclusion of movies like Tender Mercies. Of course everyone will have a list of exclusions, so here I also agree with Brook in noting some pleasant surprises (such as the aforementioned Bobby Fisher, Babe and Breaking Away).

    Here is my list (subject to modification)—not necessarily the movies I like the best, but the ones that I think meet the criteria and don’t make me retch (e.g. Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner?).

    12 Angry Men
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    9 to 5
    Abe Lincoln in Illinois
    Affair to Remember, An
    African Queen, The
    Alamo, The
    Ali
    All the President's Men
    Amistad
    Antowne Fisher
    Babe
    Bang the Drum Slowly
    Best Years of our Lives
    Blackboard Jungle
    Born on the Fourth of July
    Breaking Away
    Bridges of Toko-Ri, The
    Captains Courageous
    Casablanca
    Chariots of Fire
    City Lights
    Coal Miner's Daughter
    Color Purple, The
    Day the Earth Stood Still, The
    Dead Man Walking
    Dead Poet's Society
    Defiant Ones, The
    Destry Rides Again
    Diary of Anne Frank, The
    Do the Right Thing
    Driving Miss Daisy
    Dumbo
    E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
    Exodus
    Fiddler on the Roof
    Field of Dreams
    Finding Neverland
    Freshman, The
    Fried Green Tomatoes
    Gandhi
    General, The
    Going My Way
    Good Earth, The
    Good Morning, Vietnam
    Goodbye, Mr. Chips
    Grapes of Wrath, The
    Gunga Din
    High Noon
    Hoosiers
    In the Heat of the Night
    Joan of Arc
    Killing Fields, The
    Last Temptation of Christ, The
    Lawrence of Arabia
    Life of Emile Zola, The
    Lord of the Rings, The: Fellowship of the Ring, The
    Lost Weekend, The
    Malcolm X
    Man for All Seasons, A
    Marty
    Mary Poppins
    Miracle Worker, The
    Mississippi Burning
    Mr. Deeds Goes to Town
    Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
    Norma Rae
    October Sky
    On the Waterfront
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Passion of the Christ, The
    Patton
    Pinocchio
    Pride of the Yankees
    Queen Christna
    Rasin in the Sun, A
    Ray
    Reds
    Right Stuff, The
    Run Silent, Run Deep
    Schindler's List
    Searching for Bobby Fischer
    Sergeant York
    Serpico
    Shaft
    Shane
    Silkwood
    Sounder
    Spartacus
    Stagecoach
    Stand by Me
    Sullivan's Travels
    Sweet Charity
    Thief of Bagdad, The
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    What's Love Got to Do with It
    Wild One, The
    Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
    Wings
    Zorba the Greek
     
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    Well many of those predictable, commercial, routine, feel-good movies are exactly what this list is all about. You may not like them as films, but they make sense on such a list. The following films might be better films, but IMO, have absolutely no business being on this list:

    Do the Right Thing
    Coming Home
    Jesus Christ Superstar
    Joan of Arc
    Killing Fields, The
    Last Temptation of Christ, The
    Passion of the Christ, The
    Raisin in the Sun, A
    Saturday Night Fever

    I may not like films like Lawrence of Arabia, The Alamo, Hoosiers, Silkwood and many others, but I understand their inclusion. And one could argue that there are aspects of films like Passion, Last Temptation and Superstar that are better than religious films like Ben-Hur, The Ten Commandments, or Going My Way, but at least those films make sense on this list. Certainly I fail to see how a film like Do the Right Thing can be viewed as ultimately triumphant.
     
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    I think Do the Right Thing is an absolute masterpiece, and don't at all see it as a racist film like George does, but I have to wonder what's doing on this list as well.

    Other dubious entries:

    12 Angry Men
    All the President's Men
    Bridge on the River Kwai, The (it's been a while...)
    High Noon

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    I don't know. Jesus in the Passion was certainly a character of vision and conviction, who faced some of the worst adversity I've ever seen on screen. The sacrifice is intimately personal, and judging by the scene of ressurection at the end, he is ultimately triumphant.
     
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    It's not the Jesus didn't make a great sacrifice. It's simply that I don't find a film which essentially just shows that sacrifice in gory detail to be very inspiring. To me, it's like taking the Diary of Anne Frank and replacing it with a film that just shows her undergoing torture and abuse at the hands of the gestapo. I'd find that a far less inspiring film. But obviously there are many people who would disagree with me.
     
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    Wasn't aware you went ahead and viewed the film but I'd disagree with you here. No shock of course. [​IMG]

    As I said in another thread, IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE will probably take the #1 spot, which I wouldn't mind. I noticed Newman's SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME made the list, which I feel is strange. I'd certainly put NOBODY'S FOOL on there instead. THE COLOR OF MONEY on the list but no THE HUSTLER? BABE, BABE RUTH STORY, THE BIBLE and several others are a bit strange since the majority of people give these a very, very low rating.
     
  14. Lew Crippen

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    We are in complete agreement. Even so, there are a few that make sense being on the list, that are so unworthy as movies, that they won't make mine.

    While I disagree (for the moment at least) as to the placement of The Last Temptation of Christ, I buy into your argument as to The Passion of Christ.

    I’m still going back and forth as to Do the Right Thing.

    It might be interesting to see some top 10 picks out of the 300—not the full 100.
     
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    So basically any American narrative film ever made. Didn't we already see this when it was called just "AFI's 100 years, 100 movies"? [​IMG]

    Talk about ubiquitous, isn't that a definition for every narrative film almost, at least according to McKee.

    I mean if they are putting 2001 in there and consider any character in that film to have vision or conviction beyond "I don't want to die" then I am truly missing something.
     
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    I'll bite, I was only able to find 70 that I think fits the criteria though.

    I think a better title would be 100 years, 100 feel good movies. Not necessarily required that the movies are weak mushy fests, but that they leave you with a little thrill of satisfaction and enjoyment and zing after you finish watching them. That's why I'd include Bridge on the River Kwai because it gives such enormous pleasure to experience the film and be on that journey with the characters.

    I think Seth has a point, but according to their definition, films like Singin in the Rain and Some Like it Hot wouldn't qualify, which is sad, because they're films you cheer for, but I guess there has to be some modicum of distinguishment from their 100 movies list.

    I think this is the most subjective list the AFI has done, tough to get more subjective than comedy, but they've managed it. [​IMG]


    Here's my top ten from the 300.

    1. Shawshank Redemption
    2. Stand by me
    3. It's a wonderful life
    4. To kill a mockingbird
    5. E.T.
    6. Great Escape
    7. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
    8. Searching for Bobby Fischer
    9. Bridge on the River Kwai
    10. Pollyanna



    Movies I'd ADD in my ballot, Iron Giant, In America, Empire Strikes Back, Empire of the Sun, How Green Was My Valley, Old Yeller, Bambi, Beauty and the Beast, Incredibles, Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc, Die Hard, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, A.I., Paths of Glory
     
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    My top 10—sort of a combination of movies that fit the definition and ones that I like:

    Affair to Remember, An
    Diary of Anne Frank, The
    Fiddler on the Roof
    Grapes of Wrath, The
    Life of Emile Zola, The
    Lost Weekend, The
    October Sky
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Searching for Bobby Fischer
    Stand by Me

    And some that I was loath to leave out:

    Breaking Away
    Casablanca
    City Lights
    Finding Neverland
    Goodbye, Mr. Chips
    Malcolm X
    Mr. Deeds Goes to Town
    To Kill a Mockingbird

    A bit surprising that only Stand By Me was on both Adam's list and mine.
     
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    My top ten, based on what I feel best fits the criteria as opposed to favorites, would look something like this:

    The Grapes of Wrath
    It's A Wonderful Life
    To Kill A Mockingbird
    Mr. Smith Goes To Washington
    The Shawshank Redemption

    Field of Dreams
    Cool Hand Luke
    Chariots of Fire
    The Best Years of Our Lives
    Rocky

    Another film that I think would have been a good fit for this nominee list is Mister Roberts.

    - Walter.
     
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    I actually agree with much of George's post, except for Raisin in the Sun and Saturday Night Fever which I would argue definitely belong.

    It's A Wonderful Life
    Sullivan's Travels
    High Noon
    (though somewhat conflicted on this as it is as much an indictment as it is inspirational)
    Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
    On The Waterfront

    To Kill A Mockingbird
    The Shawshank Redemption
    The Straight Story
    12 Angry Men
    Glory


    Falling short: The Best Years of Our Lives, Raisin in the Sun, The Karate Kid, The Natural, The Sound of Music, Yankee Doodle Dandy, Saturday Night Fever

    Additions to the nominee list: The Devil and Daniel Webster, Hail The Conquering Hero, Superfly
     
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    Stand By Me and Searching for Bobby Fischer, Lew, and I thought about October Sky but its been ages since I've seen the film, love the movie though.
     

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