Adding HTPC basics to the FAQ & Primer document, need your input...

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  1. Vince Maskeeper

    Vince Maskeeper Producer

    Jan 18, 1999
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    I have written up the following draft as an intro to HTPC for the FAQ & PRIMER... would appreciate any feedback. Keep in mind I want to cover a really basic introduction without getting bogged down on hardware specifics (since those can change weekly). I'm looking just to intro the concept and ideology in a way anyone could understand it:

    HTPC: Home Theater Personal Computer
    An introduction to HTPC

    Most modern video projectors, at least the majority made since the early 90's, are designed to take higher resolution images from computers (1024x768 for example). The modern projector was designed to do computer presentations, so using them as strictly video projectors means a lot of usable resolution going to waste!

    Many of the new digital projectors have built in scaler devices that process incoming low-resolution video signals and "scales" them up to the resolution that the projector wants them to be (called the projector's "native resolution"). However, many of these internal scaling devices are poor and introduce artifacts to the picture in the process of resampling the image... An outboard scaling device would be able to do a better job and create an image equal to the "native resolution" of the projector- but a good scaler costs thousands of dollars!

    Someone somewhere got the bright idea that the mpeg decoding engine on a high buck PC video card coupled with a DVD-Rom drive might make a good dvd player to feed high resolution images to these compatible devices. By connecting a PC to the projector via the VGA connection you could scale the DVD playback to really high computer resolutions- exploiting the potential of these projector devices and avoiding the poor processing of internal scalers...

    Turned out, they were right! The scaling possibilities of a computer coupled with high buck super-dooper video cards became serious competition for $10,000 video processors, all for less than $1500! This is the best way (in terms of value) to get to quality DVD images, if you have a projector or set that supports VGA or better resolutions...

    The image is really good, much smoother and more film like than even a progressive scan DVD player can offer. The scaled output from decent HTPC even rivals majority of expensive scalers, up to and including systems costing $10,000+.

    So, once it was started the quest began- the computer geekers and tweakers came out of the woodwork. Guys who were good with computers anyway saw the potential- and many specific applications have been written making computers the ideal player for DVD and so much more. There are applications (like Powerstrip) that let you dial in resolution to the pixel- meaning you can find the best possible "sweet spot" resolution for your projector or display device.

    The HTPC craze has extended beyond the Front Projector users- now that rear projection HDTVs are becoming popular- many support higher resolution inputs, just like Front Projectors can, so a PC can be used to scale DVD to HD resolutions like 720p, 540p or 1080i to a HD compatible display! Some rear projection sets will even handle computer resolutions like 1024x768 and higher... Many RPTVs have a DB15 VGA style input or DVI- but even if not several manufacturers make a transcoder that will take computer input and output HD Component (expect to spend $300ish).

    If you're interested in learning more about HTPC, you can read the HTPC/PC area here on the HTF: Home Theater Forum HTPC Area

    Or the great (but very advanced) HTPC area on AVS: AV Sciences Forum HTPC Area

    In addition to the appeal of excellent DVD playback, the HTPC concept has hundreds of possibilities like:
    -CD and mp3 playback in your HT, with visualizations and file controls.
    -PVR functionality- basically a custom TIVO like machine that with the right configuration can record HD programming as well!
    -PC tasks like Websurfing and gaming in your HT on the big screen!
    -You can use it to scale external sources (with the excellent, free Dscaler).
    -Completely custom resolutions for Projector/HDTV owners: dial the sweet spot of your set
    -Region free playback, PAL conversion, no layer changes.
    -Custom “preroll” and intros for movie night. Compile your own theater intro- and even play it back at full HIDEF resolutions direct from the PC (no need to down convert it like DVD-R users do!)
    -Neat add-on applications like DVD subber allow you to access subtitle streams from the internet (useful for anime fans or other foreign films not subtitled for English!)
    -DVD playback applications that allow you total control: have your movies play as soon as you put them in with your preferred soundtrack and settings (skip the warnings and the menus), automatic aspect ratio adjustments and more.
    -See what others are doing with their HTPC here:

    I’ve got a video card with a Svideo output on it, can I use this for HTPC?

    Yes, although you miss a good deal of the point of HTPC, in my honest opinion.

    If you're coming from the PC via SVIDEO, you are getting a signal that has been down converted to standard interlaced NTSC resolution not matter how high your desktop resolution is set. The desktop setting is the VGA output resolution; as long as you're using Svideo you're nowhere close to that.

    The only way to get the actual full resolution from the PC to a TV set would be to use the RGB (VGA 15 pin connector) output or DVI output from the card.

    The bottom line is that the TV (S-video) output on these cards provides a video feed compatible with a standard TV- that is 480i- regardless of your desktop settings.

    Even if you’re looking to just pass regular DVD playback to a standard TV, the majority of these cards have a $2 circuit to handle this TV send- so most are lower quality than even an entry-level DVD player. So if you’re going Svideo, chances are good even a $200 DVD player would be better for you than the HTPC solution.

    How can I get the HTPC to hook up to other sources besides DVD?

    You need some sort of video input card to accept the incoming video signal and display software to put it on screen..

    Most people use an excellent free application called Dscaler. This is an open source PC based scaling engine that does amazing video processing. It does full scaling to output resolutions, does 3:2 pulldown, aspect toggling and even has built in TV tuner functions. It is free:

    The one hitch with Dscaler is that you have to use a particular type of input card: any card based on the Brooktree (now Conexant) chipset. DO NOT PLAN TO USE THE ATI INPUT ON THE ALL IN WONDER CARDS FOR INPUTTING VIDEO TO DSCALER. These video inputs are mediocre at best, and will not work with Dscaler. You can check the Dscaler FAQ for some specific cards, or just do a search on the AVSforum and start reading. I got an I/O Magic input card from Circuit City for like $35- it's a little blown out on the whites- but for analog cable and a few Dreamcast games, it's "good enough". Another hitch is that your OUPUT video card must be AGP, it won't work with a PCI card (it will but you run a serious bandwidth risk to doing decent resolutions).

    If you're looking for top of the line input, a member on AVS (look for username KBK) does a modification of the WinTV series card that is supposed to provide the very best quality external input. Expect to spend a few hundred bucks to get one however!

    One extra note on the “cutting edge”: Some people have started using SDI input Conexant cards with Dscaler, and have gotten their DVD player or DSS receiver modified to put out a SDI digital output. This is really the cutting edge as far as top quality processing goes- and it won't help you for analog sources like VHS and is not yet available for any video game systems, but for DSS and DVD provides Dscaler processing (which is great) with a direct digital path!

    Also, you can read the FAQ over at which has plenty of details on how the software works, what cards to look for, etc.

    If you'd like to go beyond what Dscaler and these Conexant cards can offer, some other popular solutions include pro input cards (like the Falcon) and a new card (Holo3DGraph) which represent the most recent top of the line. The Holo3DGraph also includes Faroudja HW deinterlacing, SDI, & component video input.

    Ok, I’m sold- can I buy a HTPC somewhere or do I have to built one?

    Several companies are now offering what’s called “TURN KEY” HTPC configurations- AVS and Digital Connection both offer several excellent models of HTPC. However- it is far more cost effective to build one yourself if you are even remotely computer literate (or even if you’re just brave!)

    Like with any portion of PC use, what is a “hot” technology changes seemingly everyday, but the basics for HTPC are:

    Video- ATI Radeon based cards are the popular ones for HTPC output as they usually exceed similarly priced cards in MPEG decoding.

    Audio- M-audio (aka “Midiman”) cards are very popular in HTPC circles for offering “bit for bit” digital transfer. Some people use Soundblaster cards however.

    Software- TheaterTek is very popular for HTPC, with the free ZOOM player also being a top choice!

    As far as the rest of the hardware- I’d point you to these FAQ documents on the AVS forum. Happy hunting!:
  2. Greg_R

    Greg_R Screenwriter

    Apr 9, 2000
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    I think the article has just the right amount of information. Some possible additions:

    Input for HTPC: In addition to the KBK cards, there are pro cards (like the Falcon) and a new card (Holo3DGraph) which represent the top of the line. The Holo3DGraph also includes Faroudja HW deinterlacing, SDI, & component video input.

    You may want to mention that in order to use a HTPC with a RPTV you will probably need a $300 transcoder unless the unit has VGA or DVI inputs.

    Video Cards: ATI is currently has the best picture and also leads the field in gaming performance (9700 pro). For DVD playback, a cheap 7200 will work fine.
  3. Vince Maskeeper

    Vince Maskeeper Producer

    Jan 18, 1999
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    Good suggestions. Have added them.


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