ACI SV-10 vs. Dayton Titanic 10"

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  1. Max Payne

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    which subwoofer is better for music & home theater applications ?
    I am chosing a 10" sub so i can put it in a small cabinet & i also prefer 10" subs for music.
    & i dont need a huge subwoofer at the moment cause my system is in my fairly small room.
    Which one is a better buy ?
    thx for any help
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  2. Max Payne

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    Thanks Jack.
    I kinda want to use the sub in a vented cabinet for more output while in a small cabinet.
    Would the PE DVC sub sound better then the SV-10 for music & home theater ??
     
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    Max
    We literally just finished a sealed isobaric (clamshell) configuration (dual Shivas) in one of the WoodStyle 61.7 liter boxes (like the Adire Rava box 18"X18"X16" with the 2" riser). This little puppy kicks serious butt...and the bass is tight [​IMG] This is without doubt the best "small" sub I've ever heard. The sub was designed for both music and HT in a small room. Some pics and plots will be posted to the Klone-Audio site mid week.
    IMHO 10" drivers really can't move an adequate amount of air to function successfully as a true sub.
     
  4. Max Payne

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    Well i heard a cheap store bought sub which had a 10" woofer with only 65 watts rms driving it and it was like 16" tall 13" wide 15" deep and it had a large 4" port hole and i thought it sounded AWESOME i was blowen away by the bass output it had.
    I'm not use to good quality bass the only good subs i have heard was a Paradigm PW-2200 and the Adire RAVA.
    And those are my friends subs.
    Anyways about the 10" sub i think it sounds awesome for a 10" subwoofer
    It cost about $500 canadian and the subwoofer is called a Magnat.
    so i think if i built a diy sub using the sv-10 i will be blowen away by the sound quality since the woofer is better then my friends magnat 10" sub which only has 65 watts rms of power.
    So i think i will be in for a surprise [​IMG]
    Thank you for the help though.
    And i wil be looking foward to seeing your subwoofer pics.
     
  5. ThomasW

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    Well let's just say that "awesome" is a fairly subjective experience.
    My point of reference for commenting about the very good sound quality of the isobaric Shiva, is in comparison to my large IB. [​IMG]
     
  6. Max Payne

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    Ya i did like the Sound of the Rava it sounded many times better then the 10" sub.
    But i relly dont need a big 12" sub at the moment.
    if something goes wrong when i'm building my sub well i guess i'm just gona have to buy the rava it is such a great deal for $399.
    For instince were i live in canada sears is selling the Acoustic Research AR112PS for $599 canadian dollers thats about $399 american dollers.
     
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  8. Max Payne

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    I like 10" subs cause there not as boomy as 12" & 15" subs.
    The only good 12" subs that i have heard were the rava and paradigm pw-2200.
    Have you ever heard a PE dayton 12" DVC sub before ??
     
  9. Max Payne

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    Jack i would a dayton 12" DVC subwoofer sound with the parts express 120 watt amp ( 300-792 )
    It only cost $85!!! which is a good deal.
    And what about equlization could i add a equlizer for more low end in a sealed design ???
    And would a Dayton 12" DVC sub sound good for home theater in a 50 liter sealed box ??
     
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    I like 10" subs cause there not as boomy as 12" & 15" subs.
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    This is false, 10", 12" and 15" drivers all make fine subwoofers, what will get you boomy is a poor driver and/or a poor cabinet design.
    Max , you are just full of questions! [​IMG]
    What you need to do is decide....
    1.what exactly it is that you expect your subwoofer to do
    2.what is the largest enclosure you are willing to build
    3.how much are you willing to spend
    If #1 and #2 do not get along, go back to #1 and change you expectations..,if #1 and #3 do not get along then go back to #1 and change your expectations...keep doing this until all three balance out.
    Personally when I build a subwoofer, the priority is #1 and I adjust #2 and #3 to suit.
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    quote: I like 10" subs cause there not as boomy as 12" & 15" subs[/quote]
    This is not true.....
    The Parts Express 12" DVC is a Shiva look alike, similar but not identical performance.
    The Rava box is approx 62L, that's pretty darn small. But if you need smaller check the Adire site sealed Shiva apps section you'll find high "Q" designs for 54L, 33.3L and 22.5L
    http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/Seal...plications.PDF
    One thing to remember is the smaller the box less efficient it is, so a bigger amp is required
     
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    Max,
    I really don't know much about that amp, I'd like a bit more power.
    I wouldn't bother with eq to boost bass, a sealed sub has a nice shallow rolloff, and eq steals headroom. You were intent on porting a vented box to 30Hz or so, so a sealed would probably beat that in-room.
    I think that it would sound good for everything (like I said, I'd like more power). I haven't used that driver yet, although it's next on my list for a small sub.
    Follow James' advice. And, like Thomas says, the PE driver is basically a Shiva "clone". It trades a bit of extension for a smaller box, a tradeoff I felt suited your size goal.
     
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    I'm on a budget i'm only 17 years and dont got a summer job yet.
    Thats why i would like to go with the $85 amp.
    Maby diy is not for me [​IMG]
     
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    Here is my budget and needs for a subwoofer.
    #1 - $100 for subwoofer plate amp & i can always upgrade.
    #2 - cabinet size under 60 liters ported would be the best for home theater
    #3- Subwoofer driver under $120
    #4 - a driver that does not need to much power to get it to shake the house
    #5- make it so the subwoofer can go loud & clean
    #6 - it does NOT have to extend to to 20Hz
    #7 - maby i can do a sono tube sub [​IMG]
    #8 - I here to hsu driver does not need to much power
    Any help ??
     
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    How about a DVC 12" in a sealed 1.25 cu ft. with a Linkwitz transform circuit? Read more about the Linkwitz circuit here: http://sound.au.com/project71.htm
    This is what I'm planning on doing. I finished one of the cabinets and was surprised with the sound(without the transform circuit). The extension seemed pretty low on HT and very nice on music. I haven't done any measurements just listening by ear.
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  16. Jack Gilvey

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    Some questions:
    Is the 60 liters due to a problem with floor space? A sonotube sub would allow a small footprint, but you could get more useful volume. They're not free, though. As I think I've made clear, "ported" and "small" don't go together in my book for various reasons. Honestly, such a sub would not be worth building as an "upgrade" from the Velodyne CT150 you said you had, and that you were going to sell to fund this project (if that's the case, you'd have enough to get a better amp). Your original plan was 85l tuned to 20Hz with a Shiva. That would be the ported way to go.
    If the Rava box is 62l, and you say that the Rava sounded "many times better" than the 10" sub (even though you later stated that 12" subs are more "boomy" than 10" models [​IMG] ), I can't imagine why you'd not want to come as close as possible to its performance.
    Where did you hear that about the Hsu driver?
    [Edited last by Jack Gilvey on July 10, 2001 at 07:43 AM]
    [Edited last by Jack Gilvey on July 10, 2001 at 07:44 AM]
     
  17. Max Payne

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    The hsu driver is at the automotive section at hsu research.com
    and it also looks like it does not need alot of power to get it loud since it has a sensitivity of 100dB.
     
  18. Max Payne

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    Jack i have something to say
    I dont own a Velodne CT-150 i just said that to se if a shiva could be compared to a velo ct-150 [​IMG]
    I dont even own a subwoofer [​IMG]
    If i did own a velo ct-150 i dont think i would be upgrading it.
    Sorry if i misled you.
     

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