A tiring trend in Hollywood, the bad guy always wins!(sequels)

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  1. Norm

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    I'm getting sick of the fact that, in almost every movie today the villain either gets away, disappears, get thrown in jail, even dies and unbelievably come backs to life, I could go on and on. I sure miss the days when a bad guy would die and that's it. Almost every movie today is aiming for a darn sequel!
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    I like it when everybody just ends up dead (and then there can be no sequel). [​IMG]
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  3. Paul Richardson

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    In some movies they do just the opposite. The Batman comics have a long tradition of putting villians in Arkham Asylum so that they can later escape and wreck havoc. When Batman (1989) killed off the Joker, that was a huge gaffe.
     
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    I agree Norm. I wish they would use the "He had a twin brother we never mentioned in the previous film" approach a la A Better Tomorrow II more often. [​IMG]
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    If you like the 'everybody dead' ending check out John Carpenter's The Thing.
     
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    Or what about Return Of The Living Dead?
     
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    Norm, give some examples. Because I have always said that I am tired of the good guys ALWAYS winning.
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    Is this really a new "trend"? I don't think so. Universal was doing the same thing with Frankenstein over 60 years ago (the monster simply never really died). [​IMG]
     
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    The Good Guy's always win. I like it for a change when the bad guys win, it makes things less predicatable.
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    I could not agree with you more Michael. The good guys ALWAYS win. I can think of a handful of movies such as Arlington Road, where the bad guy actually won. And I loved it!
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    I can't think of many standalone films (non sequels) where the bad guy wins. And, I guess it all depends on how you look at it. I just watched The Wicker Man. Spoiler:I guess you can say that evil triumphs here.
    Same with Requiem for a Dream.
    But how many films are there where there's one bad guy and he "wins" at the end? This is one of those weird questions I think about alot. [​IMG]
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    Isn't this what made Empire Strikes Back so good was that all the heros got socked in the jaw?
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    The movie I just saw today made me think up this topic.Spoiler:Creepers Jeepers
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    The Usual Suspects an obvious choice.
     
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    Norm, what is the point of using a spoiler tag if we don't know what movie you're spoiling?
     
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    In case someone wants to skip it! I'm trying not to upset people by giving away the ending of a current release.
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    Swordfish fits the bill.
     

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