A tiring trend in Hollywood, the bad guy always wins!(sequels)

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I'm getting sick of the fact that, in almost every movie today the villain either gets away, disappears, get thrown in jail, even dies and unbelievably come backs to life, I could go on and on. I sure miss the days when a bad guy would die and that's it. Almost every movie today is aiming for a darn sequel!
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I like it when everybody just ends up dead (and then there can be no sequel).

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In some movies they do just the opposite. The Batman comics have a long tradition of putting villians in Arkham Asylum so that they can later escape and wreck havoc. When Batman (1989) killed off the Joker, that was a huge gaffe.
 

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I agree Norm. I wish they would use the "He had a twin brother we never mentioned in the previous film" approach a la A Better Tomorrow II more often.

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Norm, give some examples. Because I have always said that I am tired of the good guys ALWAYS winning.
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Is this really a new "trend"? I don't think so. Universal was doing the same thing with Frankenstein over 60 years ago (the monster simply never really died).
 

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I could not agree with you more Michael. The good guys ALWAYS win. I can think of a handful of movies such as Arlington Road, where the bad guy actually won. And I loved it!
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I can't think of many standalone films (non sequels) where the bad guy wins. And, I guess it all depends on how you look at it. I just watched The Wicker Man. Spoiler:I guess you can say that evil triumphs here.
Same with Requiem for a Dream.
But how many films are there where there's one bad guy and he "wins" at the end? This is one of those weird questions I think about alot.

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Is this really a new "trend"? I don't think so. Universal was doing the same thing with Frankenstein over 60 years ago (the monster simply never really died).
But the difference is that the monster did die beyond any reasonable doubt in the original, (he burned to death in a windmill), and in the sequel (a castle fell on him), they just kept resurrecting him without reasonable explanation. PLUS, the monster was not the "bad guy" in those films.
The problem is not the bad guy winning, it's Hollywood's insistence that if a hit film CAN have a sequel, it MUST have a sequel.
Think of the brilliant ending to The Silence of the Lambs. It was a great ending, but it left open the possibility of a sequel, which, although took ten years, was almost inevitable.
Also, it's not entirely a case of sequel posturing. We live in an ironic age, one that champions the anti-hero. So, a surge in these types of films is inevitable.
 

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The movie I just saw today made me think up this topic.Spoiler:Creepers Jeepers
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Norm, what is the point of using a spoiler tag if we don't know what movie you're spoiling?
 

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In case someone wants to skip it! I'm trying not to upset people by giving away the ending of a current release.
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the difference is that the monster did die beyond any reasonable doubt in the original, (he burned to death in a windmill), and in the sequel (a castle fell on him), they just kept resurrecting him without reasonable explanation
So the monster dies and "unreasonably" (not very different from Norm saying "unbelievably") comes back to life. Not very different at all from what Norm was saying. And even though the monster had a certain pathos about him, he certainly wasn't a "good" guy.
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