A Presidential Pardon?

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  1. Henry Carmona

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    Hello folks,

    I have a question. My buddy is thinking of selling a Presidential Pardon by Harry Truman.

    He just moved into an old home, and we found an envelope today with a Presidential Pardon for the gentleman who once lived there.

    It was quite amazing to me, as not only was it a Presidential Pardon, but had President Truman's signature on it as well.

    I just wanted to know if anyone knew the value for this kind of memorablia? Are there any websites?

    I looked on EBAY, but couldnt find anything.

    Thanks for your help.
     
  2. David Lambert

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    My thought is that you should consult a lawyer who can state that you clearly have "ownership" of this item before you try to sell it. It could be up in the air, under the circumstances by which you obtained it.

    As for selling it, I imagine eBay or Christie's/Southeby's would bring in better money than most other options. But you might consider the Smithsonian or Truman's presidential library. Either could be interested at a nice price.
     
  3. Henry Carmona

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    Thanks David, thats a good point.

    However, at which point does a previous homeowner lose "ownership" of material that they leave in a house they sell "as is"?

    Is a Presidential Pardon immune to anything like that?

    There was quite a bit of junk left in the home, backyard, and the garage (where this was found).
     
  4. Julian Reville

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    Without getting political, there are any number of members of Congress who would love to buy it, especially if they thought it was still good. [​IMG]
     
  5. Philip_G

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    if he bought the house I would assume that anything left in it was his, otherwise you'd have to inventory every last brick in the sales contract and real estate sales are already a PITA. Maybe if there are ants left in the house the seller didn't know about he still owns them and can be asked to come and collect his belongings [​IMG]
     
  6. Henry Carmona

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    Philip,
    He can start with the termites [​IMG]
     
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    So What'd he do? [​IMG]
     
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    Really the document like this most likely has very little historical value unless the person being pardoned is famous.

    So the value the document does have is from the fact that it has Truman's signature.

    Not really certain how much value his signature has but with a little legwork you should be able to get a fairly good idea.

    How about researching the document and returning it to the relatives of the individual being pardoned?
     
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    Does the pardon say what the pardon was for?
     
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  11. Andrew 'Ange Hamm' Hamm

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    Calling Antiques Roadshow!
     
  12. MikeAlletto

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    Defeat the purpose of what? He said he had an envelope with a pardon in it. Well he had to have opened it to find out what it was. Does it say what the guy was pardoned for? Do you have a scanner? Scan it in so we can see it [​IMG]
     
  13. Henry Carmona

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    Heres a link, but the pics seem to have been resized [​IMG]
    http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...1965&members=1
    The charges are listed on the first page and are as follows:
     
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    I've been trying to find out what those titles and sections are...closest I can get is title 18 is about Crimes and Criminal Procedure and title 26 is about Internal Revenue Code.
    So I'm betting something to do with tax evasion. I was searching at http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ and each title and section I would put in was not there.
     
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    Holy crow! Maybe I'm just a history geek, but I'd keep that! That's pretty frickin' cool!

    If you have to go the sellers route, though, I'd consult auction houses and that antiques roadshow before hitting eBay. Although it's not going to make you rich, you should have it appraised regardless.
     
  18. Henry Carmona

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    Yeah, i too couldnt find those codes and the most i gathered was something to do with Tax violations.

    I have been offered $500 by one online document/signature collector and told it is worth between $500-$750 by another.

    I told my buddy and he wants to place it on EBAY and let them fight it out.

    If it were mine, id have a hard time figuring out what to do with it.

    On the one hand, its pretty cool IMO and id like to frame it and keep it.

    On the other hand, it might be something the family of the pardoned might want also and i could even ask them if they wanted to sell it to me.

    And finally, Id like to sell it also and make some freebie money off of something someone left for junk.

    Well, it isnt mine, and my buddy wants to put it on ebay with a minimum bid of $500 since thats what one guy wanted to pay.

    Thanks for the help guys, i think i will tell him to try and contact the atique roads show people too first.


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    Theyre crazy! Antique Road Show wants $75.00 just to appraise something. You cant even send a jpg via e-mail without sending your CC number!! Doh!
     
  19. Tommy Ceez

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    Theres also a Truman museum in Key West Florida if you want to add bidders to the mix.
     
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