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A PEEK AT WHO KILLED TEDDY BEAR? FROM VINEGAR SYNDROME (1 Viewer)

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I watched the new Blu-ray of Who Killed Teddy Bear? a new 4K transfer off the camera negative from Vinegar Syndrome, and completely uncensored. It remains one of the weirdest movies ever, and for 1965, a homoerotic fetishist's dream. You want Sal Mineo – you GET Sal Mineo, a LOT of Sal Mineo. To be fair, you also get Juliet Prowse, but somehow, it’s not quite the same. You also get Jan Murray as a bitter cop out to catch every deviate in New York, and who doesn’t mind his ten-year-old daughter listening to tapes about said deviates, not to mention all the lurid books and magazines that adorn his desk. I cannot recall any other Jan Murray movies and there’s a reason for that. This film is called “sleazy” by most who’ve seen it, and it certainly earns that moniker. Back in 1965 when it had its brief theatrical fun, there had never been anything like it – I don’t think there’s been anything like it since, frankly. Elaine Stritch is excellent as a Lesbian club owner. But aside from Mr. Mineo’s white underpants, and tight swim trunks and tighter jeans, and the endless shots of his torso, especially during the working out at the gym scene, which contains one of the funniest phallic images ever, the star of the film is New York in 1964, when the film was shot.

We see a Times Square that simply doesn’t exist anymore. Other than the legit theaters, there is nothing at all left of the Times Square of the 1960s and 1970s. Nothing. Not one movie theater, not one store. There’s a then and now extra on the Blu-ray and you can see just how true that is. It’s worth it alone for those scenes and there are a lot of them. The director, Joseph Cates, brother of Gil and daddy of Phoebe, was known more as a producer with tons of TV specials to his credit, and a Broadway producer of What Makes Sammy Run? which was running when the movie was shot. This uncensored version restores three minutes that have been lost for many years, and the main titles are not blurred as they are in most if not all of the home video releases. It’s a fascinating movie with a really good title song. The new 4K transfer is splendid and the set obviously includes a 4K UHD, which I assume looks even better. Highly recommended by the likes of me.
 

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This has the same run time as the previous Netwerk (UK) Blu-ray release. I believe the movie reflects the changes in US major city centers from the 50s thru the 70s. When I arrived in '85 Boston still had a Combat Zone, that's been gone for a long time.
 

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Thanks Bruce. Though I subscribe to VS's newsletter, somehow this release passed me by. I'll have to pick it up. As I recall, it was quite controversial in its time. I suppose "sleazy" is a pretty accurate description, which, of course, fits with VS's mission statement. Boy, I miss the old Times Square. The Palace is still there, which did show movies back in the day, in fact I saw THE PIT AND THE PENDULUM there, though now it's gone legit and is buried underneath a tacky high rise. So sad. It used to be one of my favorite places in the city.
 

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This has the same run time as the previous Netwerk (UK) Blu-ray release. I believe the movie reflects the changes in US major city centers from the 50s thru the 70s. When I arrived in '85 Boston still had a Combat Zone, that's been gone for a long time.
I have both and the VS is 4 minutes longer
 

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This used to run fairly regularly on local New York TV in the 70s and 80s. What a seedy movie. I also caught it at Film Forum sometime in the late 90s

I LOVE any movie that features Times Square , especially from the 50s through 80s....THOSE were the days ! I leave it at that LOL
 

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I have both and the VS is 4 minutes longer
Sorry for the mistake, VS 94 min, Network 91 min. Were the extra three minutes a foreign (or similar) edit? What happens in those three minutes, anything of consequence?
 

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This used to run fairly regularly on local New York TV in the 70s and 80s. What a seedy movie. I also caught it at Film Forum sometime in the late 90s

I LOVE any movie that features Times Square , especially from the 50s through 80s....THOSE were the days ! I leave it at that LOL
Off the top of my head:

SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS
YOU'RE A BIG BOY NOW
FAME

I used to frequent that hot dog stand on the southeast corner of 7th & 46th featured in both SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS & FAME. But it's not just Times Square. It's a different city. Even Brooklyn is unrecognizable.
 

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Bruce-I first heard of this movie when I listened to the song Who Killed Teddy Bear on your Kritzerland CD release, Jeepers Creepers. That haunting tune got to me and I was humming it constantly, to the point I had to see the movie. After scouring the internet I found a DVD copy and after watching it, I completely agree with your remarks at the top of this thread. I now have this VS release and enjoy showing to others just to get their reaction.
 

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Off the top of my head:

SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS
YOU'RE A BIG BOY NOW
FAME

I used to frequent that hot dog stand on the southeast corner of 7th & 46th featured in both SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS & FAME. But it's not just Times Square. It's a different city. Even Brooklyn is unrecognizable.
Those are some faves !

In You're a Big Boy Now, there's a great shot of the lead actor riding his bicycle down 7th Avenue, and he passes the construction site of what would be the new location of Madison Square Garden (the movie was probably filmed in 1966 or early '67, and the new MSG opened in 1968)

In Fame, the NYC Board of Education objected to the script of the film, and wouldn't allow them to film on the school premises. So the filmmakers used an exterior on the same block (W46th Street between 6th and Broadway) to pretend it was the school- a church on the north side of the street as opposed to the actual school on the opposite side

And I grew up in Brooklyn- I barely recognize my old neighborhoods. They've changed radically
 

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Those are some faves !

In You're a Big Boy Now, there's a great shot of the lead actor riding his bicycle down 7th Avenue, and he passes the construction site of what would be the new location of Madison Square Garden (the movie was probably filmed in 1966 or early '67, and the new MSG opened in 1968)

In Fame, the NYC Board of Education objected to the script of the film, and wouldn't allow them to film on the school premises. So the filmmakers used an exterior on the same block (W46th Street between 6th and Broadway) to pretend it was the school- a church on the north side of the street as opposed to the actual school on the opposite side

And I grew up in Brooklyn- I barely recognize my old neighborhoods. They've changed radically
Referring to Peter Kastner? I was a gofer on that shoot.
 

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Referring to Peter Kastner? I was a gofer on that shoot.
I worked with Peter in my acting days. We did a made for TV version of If I Had a Million - we shot at the Santa Monica Pier. Peter and I became friends and we had he and his wife over for dinner and vice versa several times. Eventually, as these things happen, we lost track of each other.
 

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Sorry for the mistake, VS 94 min, Network 91 min. Were the extra three minutes a foreign (or similar) edit? What happens in those three minutes, anything of consequence?
I made these years ago to show up differences between the Network UK releases on DVD (sped up to 25fps) and Blu (proper 24fps but edited):



 

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Bruce-I first heard of this movie when I listened to the song Who Killed Teddy Bear on your Kritzerland CD release, Jeepers Creepers. That haunting tune got to me and I was humming it constantly, to the point I had to see the movie. After scouring the internet I found a DVD copy and after watching it, I completely agree with your remarks at the top of this thread. I now have this VS release and enjoy showing to others just to get their reaction.
I also have the CD Jeepers Creepers. (Great disc, by the way!). When I played "Who Killed Teddy Bear?" the first time, I thought it sounded like the theme song to a James Bond movie.
 

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