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I'm left a bit confused by the sub-title of Universal's Classic Monsters release in 4k, which is Icons of Horror Collection.

Beyond fan favorites, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Invisible Man and The Wolfman (which arrived a decade later), was a fifth creature from the same era, which also spawned a brace of kinsmen.

The Mummy.

That foible aside, this is a wonderful set, although whether one needs (as opposed to desires it) in 4k is another matter.

First and foremost, there is not 4k imagery in these films. But for true diehard fans, and I count myself among that noble breed, the tiny upgrade is essential.

Does HDR made a huge difference in these 80-90 year old film elements?

No. It seems to add something.

In projection, up close and personal with the screen, what you get in 4k is lovely, glistening grain structure.

Walk back six or seven feet, and it disappears, as it always does, and becomes part of the overall image.

But again, in projection, does that added resolution add anything?

I believe it does. And it's important to those who cherish these films and desire to extract every bit of detail.

Is it important to the rest of the world?

Probably not.

In the end the question of upgrade is dependent upon both one's passion for the film, in equal measure with an ability to spend the funds necessary toward ownership.

Personally, I'd go for them.

As for the rest of the world...


NOTE:
It has been noted that someome, somewhere, turned up auto-pass a bit high on Frankenstein, which is a pity, as a great deal of work has gone into reconstructing and preserving this film over the years.

Image – 5 (HDR)
4 (Frankenstein)

Audio – 5 (not multi-channel as publicity states)

Pass / Fail – Pass

Plays nicely with projectors - Beautifully

Makes use of and works well in 4k - 3.5

Very Highly Recommended

RAH
 
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The other day, I thought "The Invisible Man" 4K disc looked beautiful on my 55" OLED that I was about 3 feet away from. Last month, I watched "Dracula", but only on the 4K digital. It looked good, but "The Wolf Man" on 4K digital really looked impressive on my 65" OLED in which I was about 6-7 feet away. This month, I'll be watching those movies again but on 4K disc along with "Frankenstein".
 

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The Wolf Man was one of the few titles Universal didn’t opt for a full “restoration” like the rest of the main 30s titles, so this will be a bigger upgrade than the others. I’m happy with the 31-film box set for now, but I’ll likely upgrade eventually. Especially since this set has the oldest films available on UHD now (previously a tie between Sony’s Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and Warner’s The Wizard Of Oz - both 1939).
 

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The new masters for The Wolf Man and The Invisible Man are a substantial improvement over the 2012 masters for the previous blu-ray release. The upgrade for these two titles is not minor, but is not due to the UHD disc. They would also have looked much better with HD quality.
 

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The new masters for The Wolf Man and The Invisible Man are a substantial improvement over the 2012 masters for the previous blu-ray release. The upgrade for these two titles is not minor, but is not due to the UHD disc. They would also have looked much better with HD quality.
Did "The Invisible Man" get a new master? Also, if it wasn't for these UHD discs, they wouldn't be any new masters.
 

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Did "The Invisible Man" get a new master? Also, if it wasn't for these UHD discs, they wouldn't be any new masters.
Just saw screen shots on that "other site" from THE WOLF MAN and truthfully, they looked too dark and murky. I didn't see any detail in the shadows. Way prefer the less dense screen shots on the older disc in direct comparison. Obviously, nicer in grain on the newer master and maybe in motion it looks good but truthfully it didn't look great.
 

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Just saw screen shots on that "other site" from THE WOLF MAN and truthfully, they looked too dark and murky. I didn't see any detail in the shadows. Way prefer the less dense screen shots on the older disc in direct comparison. Obviously, nicer in grain on the newer master and maybe in motion it looks good but truthfully it didn't look great.
Well, you can't please everybody.
 

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Just saw screen shots on that "other site" from THE WOLF MAN and truthfully, they looked too dark and murky. I didn't see any detail in the shadows. Way prefer the less dense screen shots on the older disc in direct comparison. Obviously, nicer in grain on the newer master and maybe in motion it looks good but truthfully it didn't look great.
You can’t judge 4K HDR from screen captures as there is no exact method to accomplish it. That other site even says so in their disclaimer. “Our capture software is simulating the HDR (in a uniform manner) for standard monitors. This should make it easier for us to review more 4K UHD titles in the future and give you a decent idea of its attributes on your system. So our captures may not support the exact same colors (coolness of skin tones, brighter or darker hues etc.) as the 4K system at your home.”
 

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The screen shots on DVD Beaver are too Dark ! :confused: I'll stick with my Bluray Legacy Collection sets. :D They look Great ! With the exception of Revenge of the Creature. They sent me a replacement disc and it was exactly the same. :confused: :( A 4K UHD Creature Trilogy I will buy in a Heartbeat !
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You can’t judge 4K HDR from screen captures as there is no exact method to accomplish it.
True enough. However, I *did* do a comprehensive direct comparison of Dracula from the Universal Classic Monsters 30-film Blu-ray set and the iTunes 4K HDR stream. My conclusion echoes what I'm seeing with the 4K screen captures of The Wolfman - Dracula in 4K HDR is dark and dull compared to the 1080p presentation, which is much more pleasing to my eye.
 

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Those screen grabs on DVD Beaver should be proof that just because it can be in 4K, doesn't mean that it should though. Frankenstein and The Wolf Man's outdoor scenes were never that dark, especially in Frankenstein when they dig up the body scene.
 
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BTW, I was looking at the capsaholic caps. I am in disbelief that Universal actually messed Frankenstein up this badly with some awful scratch removal software. This is a crown jewel, and this should not be considered acceptable.
I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks something is off. The current bluray of The Bride of Frankenstein is stunning. I'm going to store it in a vault just in case they F the next in print version up.
 

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I’ve scrutinized the Frankenstein disc, and specifically the scene with the monster and Maria, in my (projection) setup, and compared it with the previous Blu-ray disc. What I see is consistent with the capsaholic caps, reflecting a noticeable loss of detail in the 4K disc that is also apparent when the picture is in motion. Very disappointing.
 

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You can’t judge 4K HDR from screen captures as there is no exact method to accomplish it. That other site even says so in their disclaimer. “Our capture software is simulating the HDR (in a uniform manner) for standard monitors. This should make it easier for us to review more 4K UHD titles in the future and give you a decent idea of its attributes on your system. So our captures may not support the exact same colors (coolness of skin tones, brighter or darker hues etc.) as the 4K system at your home.”
Beaver has the simulation disclaimer + you can adjust your 4k player or TV to make the image look like an episode from the Twilight Zone if you want. The details are there even in Maria's black dress.

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Wolfman lightened.jpg


The same 4k frame but the second image has been boosted in Photoshop. Same thing that your 4k player or TV can do if you find the disc too dark.
 
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