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Which one? I reckon you are referring to "God Moving Over the Face of the Waters", which is used brilliantly for the finale of the film - but Moby's "New Dawn Fades" is also used: it is a version of a Joy Division song, and it is the music used when Hanna is tailing McCauley prior to their coffee shop chat.
Back in the day (dawn?) I was a big Joy Division fan*, I didn't catch New Dawn Fades, now I'll have to listen out for it.

*Fan is the wrong word. Joy Division was almost a religious experience for those living in Thatcher's Britain. Perhaps others know of similar poetry coming out of desperation, depression and epilepsy but you really have to live thru it to appreciate it.
 

Carlo Medina

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*Fan is the wrong word. Joy Division was almost a religious experience for those living in Thatcher's Britain. Perhaps others know of similar poetry coming out of desperation, depression and epilepsy but you really have to live thru it to appreciate it.
Tangent: this is really well put, I can relate to some degree as someone who lived as a child through the excess of the 1980s, went to college in the early 1990s with not much in my pocket, and the Seattle Sound (later to be named grunge) captured my generation of disaffected youth. While their music has stood the test of time in terms of quality and musicianship, you had to live through it to understand much of the angst and anger. We didn't wear flannel as a fashion statement. It was what was affordable at the thrift shops and surplus stores.
 

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So which do folks prefer, The Director Definitive Edition (DDE) or the earlier Warner Blu-ray?

I definitely have a problem with the DDE's dim/dull, blue/grey appearance but I've never seen the Warner.

I pulled out my Anchor Bay Manhunter DVD, I hadn't watched it in twenty years, the DVD looks good and the movie holds up well due to excellent acting except, the Tom Noonan character is a little hokey, the only weak point. Mann should have spent more time on the development of Tooth Fairy. Is there a preferred Blu-ray for Manhunter?
I did not get a response and believe I've answered my own question by visiting DVDbeaver and comparing transfer stills, I prefer the DDE. I'll put a note on the case that this must be watched in a pitch black room for full enjoyment.

Does anyone have an opinion the Manhunter Blu-ray with the best picture quality?
 

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Game on, this weekend...
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I rewatched my streaming copy of Heat last week without even thinking that the book was just about to be published. Serendipity! I’m ready now!
 

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My 4K disc was suppose to deliver today, but UPS delivered it to the wrong address in a different city. Luckily, it was to a business and I was on top of it and immediately notified UPS of their mistake. They got it back and will deliver it tomorrow.
 

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I couldn't help myself. Between meetings I spun up the opening armored car scene. Let's just say first impressions are extremely favorable. The film looks great, the HDR application for the first 15 minutes of the film looks appropriate...or maybe another way to put it is nothing out of the ordinary drew my eye to it and for now, that's good enough. I will say this, the film is dark and the sun's still coming through the living room windows (blinds are closed but it's still pretty bright in here). I did have to engage the Panny UB820 player's HDR Tone Mapping to "Light Environment" to compensate for the brightness of the room (normally I do critical movie watching at night in a minimally lit environment).

But the best part is they used either the same, or very similar DTS soundtrack that was so impressive in the earlier BD release. I was afraid after what happened with the Atmos soundtrack in the recently released Edge of Tomorrow 4K (where the LFE and rear surround activity were noticeably different from the opening scenes in the movie from the previous DTS soundtrack of the BD) that there might be a "tamer" (for lack of a better word) Atmos track in place of the DTS-HD MA track. I can't swear it's the same track as the BD, but I can tell you from the small sampling, it's a very dynamic, active mix.
 

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I watched the disc through the bank robbery last night and thought it looked great. The disc appears to be sourced from the same master as the 4K version that has been streaming on iTunes for years, but it has a much healthier bitrate, so it is not plagued by the macroblocking in the shadows like the streaming version. Film grain looks natural. Watching in a totally dark room on a meter-calibrated LG OLED G1, nothing stood out as problematic to me about the HDR grade.

And yes, it still has one of the best audio mixes of all time. It's a dynamic mix that may sound muted at lower volumes, but holey moley, the gun shots are terrifying when played back at reference with a sub.

Here is the disc info for those who are interested:

Video
ID : 1
ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main [email protected]@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2 h 50 min
Bit rate : 40.6 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.204
Stream size : 48.3 GiB (86%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Original source medium : Blu-ray

Audio #1
ID : 2
ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
Format : DTS XLL
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Commercial name : DTS-HD Master Audio
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2 h 50 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 222 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 5.02 GiB (9%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Original source medium : Blu-ray
 

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Well the on set photos show these guys there during the sequence. I actually never questioned the choice He made. It made sense Because of their relationship to each other in the film.
 

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