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Yeah, the mono track is the issue for me.
Probably because most people viewing this new BD are doing so listening to the 5.1 audio track and not the mono track.TravisR said:I'm still at loss as to why anyone is talking about the video (however anyone feels about it, it's approved by the DOP) and no one is mentioning the mono track that is without a doubt messed up.
Mark Booth said:Here's a very recent short interview with Dean Cundey, cinematographer for 'Halloween':
Cundey makes it quite clear that the 35th Anniversary Blu-ray is the FIRST TIME he's been involved in a home video transfer of 'Halloween'! That blue look to the movie is the INTENDED look and any previous transfers where the colorist removed or lessened the blue did so WITHOUT Cundey's approval. Nobody called him!
Mark
I don't want to derail the thread, but did Lucas really say that? Odd, since Greedo's blaster was pointed at Solo's chest before they even sat down at the table, and was trained there throughout their entire conversation.JoshZ said:George Lucas still wants us to believe that he always intended Greedo to shoot at Han Solo first, but just didn't have the technology available in 1977 to have the actor remove the gun from his holster before Harrison Ford did, until CGI finally made that possible 20 years later.
No but he did say something to the effect of (and let me emphasize that I'm paraphrasing) that the intent of the scene was always that Greedo fired first but it was just difficult to tell that in the 1977 version so he made it more clear to the 1997 version. For the record, I love George Lucas but I don't buy that for a second.ijthompson said:I don't want to derail the thread, but did Lucas really say that?
Not sure why we're talking about Lucas again, but these "now it's like I originally intended" arguments rarely hold any water. The work of art (movie, painting, song, book, etc) is "done" when it's done and when it's released/shown to the general public. And if that work of art is "out there" long enough it'll be the original version. You can't just bury that "original version" 30 years later or something and say: It never was the version I liked, sorry if you guys loved that inferior version. If some film has been out there for 30 years, it's not director's decision anymore. Sorry, director.TravisR said:For the record, I love George Lucas but I don't buy that for a second.
Actually, I do find it kind of difficult to understand, because it raises a lot of questions. The insert from the 1999 DVD says plain as day that Cundey approved the video transfer. Was this just a flat-out lie? If so, how did Anchor Bay get away with it? Was Cundey unaware of AB's claim? Or did Cundey merely "approve" to old transfer, as opposed to "supervising" the new one? If so, how did he feel about the altered colors? Were they his idea, and why were they reverted for the new transfer, if he approved of them for the old one?haineshisway said:It was already revealed that despite what they wanted you to think, that Dean Cundey was nowhere in evidence when they were doing the previous transfer. It's not really that hard to understand.
Here's the actual quote that appeared in the Hollywood Reporter:TravisR said:No but he did say something to the effect of (and let me emphasize that I'm paraphrasing) that the intent of the scene was always that Greedo fired first but it was just difficult to tell that in the 1977 version so he made it more clear to the 1997 version. For the record, I love George Lucas but I don't buy that for a second.
Being in attendance and lending your name to something is not the same. He was not there, and frankly it's doubtful he even saw much of it. They may have sent him something to look at or they may have just said, we've done a great new transfer can you say you approve it. Who knows? He may have seen one scene or the whole thing or none of it. But he was NOT involved in the transfer or the timing. He was on the new version.cafink said:Actually, I do find it kind of difficult to understand, because it raises a lot of questions. The insert from the 1999 DVD says plain as day that Cundey approved the video transfer. Was this just a flat-out lie? If so, how did Anchor Bay get away with it? Was Cundey unaware of AB's claim? Or did Cundey merely "approve" to old transfer, as opposed to "supervising" the new one? If so, how did he feel about the altered colors? Were they his idea, and why were they reverted for the new transfer, if he approved of them for the old one?
I'm reasonably sure that you're correct and this is a rhetorical question (unless Dean Cundey happens to pop in here) but why would he associate his name with a transfer that he probably had little to do with? I doubt there was any financial incentive for him to give the OK to and why he would want people thinking that a transfer that wasn't representative of what he wanted was given the OK by him?haineshisway said:Being in attendance and lending your name to something is not the same. He was not there, and frankly it's doubtful he even saw much of it. They may have sent him something to look at or they may have just said, we've done a great new transfer can you say you approve it. Who knows? He may have seen one scene or the whole thing or none of it. But he was NOT involved in the transfer or the timing. He was on the new version.
HDvision said:It's implicit and fact that basically after 99, changes were made without his approval, and that he know have step back to get it right (especially the blue). Only he probably didn't look at the day scenes and focused on the night scenes, where most of the damage was.
Notice that no fan is arguing about the night scenes. The problems only relate to the daylight scenes.
You're drawing conclusions that are not supported by any of the evidence. "It's doubtful he even saw much of it"? Why would you say that? You doubt it only because you don't like the outcome and you don't want to believe that he actually approved it at the time, nothing more.haineshisway said:Being in attendance and lending your name to something is not the same. He was not there, and frankly it's doubtful he even saw much of it. They may have sent him something to look at or they may have just said, we've done a great new transfer can you say you approve it. Who knows? He may have seen one scene or the whole thing or none of it. But he was NOT involved in the transfer or the timing. He was on the new version.
I just can't understand why you think this supports your position. On the one hand, you want to rely on Dean Cundey as the definitive reference source for how Halloween is supposed to look. On the other hand, you're calling him a disreputable sell-out who slapped his name on a previous copy of the movie that (you believe) he didn't even watch. According to your theory, the man is not a credible source of information about the movie. So why should we trust his word that this new "Dean Cundey approved" transfer is any more accurate than the last "Dean Cundey approved" transfer? You're shooting yourself in the foot with your own argument.Mark Booth said:Starz/Anchor Bay in 1999: "Hey Dean, okay with you if Adam Adams does his colorist thing for the new THX DVD of Halloween?"
Dean Cundey: "Sure."
Starz/Anchor Bay to marketing department: "Okay, Dean said Adam Adams could change the color timing so this new transfer is Dean Cundey approved!"
Mark