A Few Words About A few words about...™ Dr. Zhivago -- in Blu-ray (1 Viewer)

[OliverK]

More speaking of apples and oranges.

Zhivago was never grainy, and was extremely sharp, as the negative was generally fully exposed. A comparison to Kwai is a bit unbalanced, as the earlier film was shot on Eastman 5248, via scope adapters, which soften the image, and then printed dye transfer, which via the process and increased contrast, gave it the appearance of sharpness, that was all perceived.

The original run of Kwai prints was produced with the incorrect aspect ratio, as it had been composed full frame, for 2.55, and released 2.35, with the left side of frame unceremoniously lopped off.

The 4k version of Kwai looks quite sharp and grainy and it certainly has a special look - I am very curious how the upcoming 4k UHD disc will compare.

2 of the best blow ups I have seen were The Great Race and Days of Heaven.

Thanks for letting me know, hopefully I will be able to check them out at some point even though The Great Race will be heavily faded.

I was very impressed with the level of detail in some single reels that I saw of The Wild Bunch and Papillon but I did not yet get to watch them as a complete print.

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[Dick]

My goal during my time as a projectionist was that the audience shouldn't be aware of the operation at all. Lights, curtains, and film should look like it was automatic.

Exactly. You are among the heroes of the theatrical experience, whereas others who hadn't the showman in them led to people having to rise from their seats and complain about focus and framing and sound. So, Peter, bravo to you!

 

[avroman]

"The Great Race " was the opening attraction with my home built 70mm projectors in my theatre in 1968. ( What a night that first screening was! ) I practically had all my finger nails chewed off! Although it all went well.
It still recalls great memories, and Boy! didn't "The Great Race "look beautiful.
I went on to screen every movie released in 70 on those Projectors until 1985, when I could afford to buy brand new equipment with a 70/35 Platter.

 

[DP 70]

The 4k version of Kwai looks quite sharp and grainy and it certainly ha - I am very curioues how the upcoming 4k UHD disc will compare.


Thanks for leting me know, hopefully I will be able to check them out at some point even though Teh great Race will be heavily faded.

I was very impressed with the level of detail in some single reels that I saw of The Wild Bunch and Papillon but I did not yet get to watch them as a complete print.

The copy of The Great Race came from The Swedish Film Archive and it still had full colour and that was 2011, it was also shown on the
Cinerama screen and as I said it still looked excellent.

 

[Robert Harris]

The Great Race in 35 dye transfer looks very much like a reduction print. Much of the quality is the result of a fully exposed negative.

 

[OliverK]

The copy of The Great Race came from The Swedish Film Archive and it still had full colour and that was 2011, it was also shown on the
Cinerama screen and as I said it still looked excellent.

The Swedish film institute seems to have the best looking vintage prints with regard to color - I was lucky to see their prints of Cheyenne Autumn and Ryan's Daughter and there was very little fading to them, too. That was some years ago and such a print can turn to pinkish red very fast but back then it gave me an idea how fantastic all these prints must have looked on release date in well run theaters.

 

[RolandL]

Saw Doctor Zhivago Christmas week of 1965 at the Loew's Capitol. Was disappointed the film did not completely cover the huge curved screen as Cheyenne Autumn did. That said I also recall the print was extremely sharp and all subsequent viewings never matched that original showing.

Cheyenne Autumn must have looked distorted on the sides as it's 70mm 2.2 image filled a 2.76 Cinerama screen.

 

[Paul Rossen]

Cheyenne Autumn must have looked distorted on the sides as it's 70mm 2.2 image filled a 2.76 Cinerama screen.

I really don't recall the distortion but I've also questioned the complete use of the Cinerama screen for 70 mm Cheyenne Autumn. Perhaps by sitting in the balcony helped matters. I do recall that the sound was outstanding but that I hated the use of rear projections in the pivotal Edward G. Robinson scenes.

 

[WilliamMcK]

Thanks for posting this! I lived in Knoxville from July 1975 - January 1978. I saw many movies here... including ROCKY ... also GONE WITH THE WIND (in 70mm), FUNNY LADY, THE HINDENBURG and a number of 1.85 films (TAXI DRIVER, THE SUNSHINE BOYS, MURDER BY DEATH).

 

[Tino]

RAH

Does the transfer for this film still hold up today? Bought the Digibook and am looking forward to watching it for the first time ( I know).

 

[Konstantinos]

I still haven't bought this movie.
I wonder, has anyone heard anything about a UHD coming?

 

[ArnoldLayne]

I still haven't bought this movie.
I wonder, has anyone heard anything about a UHD coming?

Or even an AVC high bitrate encode of the current 'version'?

 

[benbess]

I was recently considering watching David Lean's Doctor Zhivago from 1965 yet again. But since over the years I've watched that movie at least twenty times (about half of those since I got the blu-ray in 2010), I decided instead to watch the 2002 British miniseries production of Doctor Zhivago, which features Kiera Knightly, Hans Matheson, Sam Niell, Alexandra Maria Lara, and many more. The screenplay for this miniseries is by Andrew Davies, who is famous for writing many great adaptations of novels for television, including To Serve Them All My Days (1980), Pride and Prejudice (1995), Daniel Deronda (2002), War and Peace (2016), Sanditon (2019), and more than a dozen notable titles beyond those.

Andrew Davies (writer) - Wikipedia

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Since this Doctor Zhivago miniseries is almost 4 hours long it includes some scenes from the novel that aren't in the 1965 movie. David Lean's movie is still the definitive version of this story for me, but this 2002 miniseries is surprisingly strong and moving, and a worthy companion from my pov. It's directed by Giacomo Campiotti. The miniseries is only available as far as I know by subscribing to "Britbox" for c. $7 a month on amazon, although the first week is free. Below is a short trailer.



Anyway, getting back to the David Lean version. I'm still satisfied with the 2010 blu-ray. But if there are additional ways for Warner at this point to upgrade this movie I would buy it again. For instance, since the negative is in such poor shape, are there separation masters that might be used?

 

[Sam Favate]

I’m assuming (and hoping) we get a 4k release of this masterpiece next year for its 60th (gasp!) anniversary. I recently revisited the blu-ray, and it’s wonderful, so I have to imagine that in the right hands, a 4k could be even better. Surely, they wouldn’t do 4ks of Lawrence and Kwai and forget about this one, would they?

I often thought the world could use more David Lean films. Maybe Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings films come closest to his epics, but really, what else could stand alongside Lean’s masterpieces?

 

[Worth]

I don’t think it’s possible to make that sort of epic anymore. Even though movies are more expensive than they’ve ever been, they feel kind of cheap because you can sense that everything was created in a computer - that sense of sweeping grandeur is gone.

 

[Sam Favate]

^ That's certainly true. None of the crowds in Zhivago or Lawrence would be real today. They'd all be generated on computer.

 

[trajan007]

I’m assuming (and hoping) we get a 4k release of this masterpiece next year for its 60th (gasp!) anniversary. I recently revisited the blu-ray, and it’s wonderful, so I have to imagine that in the right hands, a 4k could be even better. Surely, they wouldn’t do 4ks of Lawrence and Kwai and forget about this one, would they?

I often thought the world could use more David Lean films. Maybe Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings films come closest to his epics, but really, what else could stand alongside Lean’s masterpieces?

I always though that if David Lean had a WW2 film it would look like PATTON.

 

[Allansfirebird]

I always though that if David Lean had a WW2 film it would look like PATTON.

 

[trajan007]

Wow- Forgot about that little film.

 

[Kas Quatermain]

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