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I've bundled these three films together, as they all have the same qualities.

And those qualities are extraordinary.

Of the three films, only the earliest - Dirty Harry (1971) - was released via dye transfer prints. The others - The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) and Pale Rider (1985) - were not.

But here's where it gets interesting.

The three have a synchronicity of colors and textures of dye transfer in these new 4k UHD releases, and while they're quite different - especially Dirty Harry, a modern tale taking place in San Francisco, from the others, which are westerns, each is a masters class in bringing film to home theater.

Colors, densities, black levels, grain structure are not what would have been found in original prints.

Each, in its own way, is better - especially when it comes to Dirty Harry, for which the dye transfer prints could never replicate what was held on the OCN.

Now we're seeing it.

Each of these new releases from Warner Bros. captures precisely how far we have come in our ability to replicate or better what was seen in original prints.

My advice is to grab these 4k releases, and see for yourself how far things have come.

Each one is reference quality in its own right.

But not to simply make a statement with image quality, each has been updated, presumably from the original stems to Dolby Atmos, and I love what I'm hearing.

For slipcover lovers, there's also a nice surprise in store, as each is elegantly printed atop a reflective base. But rather than simply take some stock image, each has been massaged, taking full advantage of precisely how the foreground and background imagery interacts with the reflective layer. These are beautifully designed covers.

As extras, each contains both previously released, as well as new content, placing them fully in the Collector arena.

Final point. Some may be disappointed that a second disc has not been included for those who may not yet be 4k enabled. Each comes with a 4k digital streaming code.

So to bring that to the fore in advance, I'm not seeing a problem.

Strangely, all three will also be available in Steelbook variants, but at different prices. In normal packaging each is streeting at $24. For Steelbooks Dirty Harry will run $30, which is fair (the cost is around $4), but the other two will be $35, which to me seems like a bit of a jump.

I'd be in for all three at $24 per title.

Image (HDR)

Forensic - 10
NSD - 10

Audio – 10 (Dolby Atmos)

Pass / Fail – Pass

Plays nicely with projectors - Yes

Makes use of and works well in 4k - 9

Upgrade from Blu-ray - without a doubt

Worth your attention - Yup

Slipcover rating - 7

Looks like Film - 10

Very Highly Recommended



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This is wonderful news. Especially after Bill Hunt posted that Clint Eastwood has quietly been working with Warner Bros. Discovery Home Entertainment to oversee the 4K scanning and restoration of many of his catalog films. This means we can look forward to more reference quality releases in the future.
 

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This is wonderful news. Especially after Bill Hunt posted that Clint Eastwood has quietly been working with Warner Bros. Discovery Home Entertainment to oversee the 4K scanning and restoration of many of his catalog films. This means we can look forward to more reference quality releases in the future.
LOTS of room for improvement on Where Eagles Dare, I hope that's been worked on. Meanwhile, I'm in for The Outlaw Josey Wales, the Blu-ray looks great, so the 4K should really look something!
 

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LOTS of room for improvement on Where Eagles Dare, I hope that's been worked on. Meanwhile, I'm in for The Outlaw Josey Wales, the Blu-ray looks great, so the 4K should really look something!
We all want a better version of Where Eagles Dare, but that is an MGM production. Still, there's always hope.
 

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We all want a better version of Where Eagles Dare, but that is an MGM production. Still, there's always hope.
Plus, Eastwood was the second lead in it, but it’s not really an Eastwood film like these three movies.
 

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We all want a better version of Where Eagles Dare, but that is an MGM production. Still, there's always hope.
Yeah, but now (& for many years) WARNER!

As I said, I'll be buying Josey Wales, but maybe I'm in for Pale Rider as well, not so keen on Dirty Harry (I actually prefer all the sequels).
 

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A guilty pleasure to be sure, but I'd love to see a 4K release of "Kelly's Heroes"

Just thinking that it might not happen fills me with negative waves...
 

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I really hope the other Dirty Harry movies will be released. Very happy they included the original audio track.
 

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Strangely, all three will also be available in Steelbook variants, but at different prices. In normal packaging each is streeting at $24. For Steelbooks Dirty Harry will run $30, which is fair (the cost is around $4), but the other two will be $35, which to me seems like a bit of a jump.

I'd be in for all three at $24 per title.

Image (HDR)

Forensic - 10
NSD - 10

Audio – 10 (Dolby Atmos)

Pass / Fail – Pass

Plays nicely with projectors - Yes

Makes use of and works well in 4k - 9

Upgrade from Blu-ray - without a doubt

Worth your attention - Yup

Slipcover rating - 7

Looks like Film - 10

Very Highly Recommended



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I think it depends on which retailer you purchased the product from because I paid the same $29.99 for all three Steelbooks. Amazon is frequently not the retailer with the cheapest pricing especially on pre-orders.
 

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I think it depends on which retailer you purchased the product from because I paid the same $29.99 for all three Steelbooks. Amazon is frequently not the retailer with the cheapest pricing especially on pre-orders.
Agreed. I needed a few 8TB transit SSD drives. Tried to order, but capped at two pieces. They took me to their super special business sector for more.

After going through all the registration, I tried to place an order, and guess what -

Higher prices!

Needed them quickly, so ended up at B & H.
 

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I think it depends on which retailer you purchased the product from because I paid the same $29.99 for all three Steelbooks. Amazon is frequently not the retailer with the cheapest pricing especially on pre-orders.
Yeah, I paid $29.99 from GRUV (which I'm guessing is where you ordered them)? Unfortunately, I got a shipping notification three days ago and haven't seen a tracking update since. Still says label printed, awaiting pickup. So in the meantime, I'm going to have to make a move on getting some review copies.
 

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I spinned Dirty Harry. There's a great correction in the Atmos mix vs the old 5.1. Any fan will remember they missed a choir cue during the Scorpio rooftop scene near the church, when he spots the two guys with the intention of killing them. Now, the missing choir is back!

I assume if they get to Magnum Force in the future, they will fix the double track playing a capella during the end credits too.

The mono, I didn't compare to the LD version, but to me it sounds just like it did the over a dozen times I saw the film in 35mm back in the days. All levels seem perfect between music & effects and dialogue.

If anyone wants the perfect book companion to this, there's only 5 days left to make the english version happen. Check it out, the french version was published two years ago and is pretty much definitive.
 

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Yeah, I paid $29.99 from GRUV (which I'm guessing is where you ordered them)? Unfortunately, I got a shipping notification three days ago and haven't seen a tracking update since. Still says label printed, awaiting pickup. So in the meantime, I'm going to have to make a move on getting some review copies.
Yup, ordered mine from GRUV and they're being delivered today as my local USPS has them.
 

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Yup, ordered mine from GRUV and they're being delivered today as my local USPS has them.
Well, USPS tracking is as lousy as ever, because mine went straight from "label generated, awaiting pickup" to landing in St. Paul this morning. So I'll have them today. I should have known better than to doubt GRUV, because they haven't let me down yet. (USPS tracking, on the other hand...)
 

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Well, USPS tracking is as lousy as ever, because mine went straight from "label generated, awaiting pickup" to landing in St. Paul this morning. So I'll have them today. I should have known better than to doubt GRUV, because they haven't let me down yet. (USPS tracking, on the other hand...)
I hear you about USPS tracking. For the longest, it told me they wouldn't be delivered until Monday. That changed yesterday afternoon, when the package arrived in Detroit.
 

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My 4K/UHDs arrived today. I'll be watching "The Outlaw Josey Wales" first because it's one of my favorite all-time westerns and I watched the "Dirty Harry" 4K Digital last week.
Yep, mine landed as well. I'm doing them in order, though, starting with Dirty Harry tonight.

It's going to be a busy weekend.


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Amazing that Warner is selling these discs for $24, that's the same as Warner laserdiscs back in 1995. I watched Dirty Harry 4K in Dolby Vision from ATV+ (a bargain $4 rental) last night on my LG B8. It's big improvement over the last time I streamed in HD from Prime about eight years ago on a plasma TV, that was truly horrendous. The 4K stream is a mixed bag: very little grain, some gaudy colors, out of focus shots, completely black night scenes & some really stellar moments. Most is obviously bit rate related (let us know if the disc is much better?), some the print & processing. I wonder what the bit overhead of HDR & Dolby Vision is vs regular Blu-ray? If you're on the fence about this release & have a 4K player (I don't) I'd recommend going for the disc ($4 vs $24) as a safer bet. Enjoy!
 

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Amazing that Warner is selling these discs for $24, that's the same as Warner laserdiscs back in 1995. I watched Dirty Harry 4K in Dolby Vision from ATV+ (a bargain $4 rental) last night on my LG B8. It's big improvement over the last time I streamed in HD from Prime about eight years ago on a plasma TV, that was truly horrendous. The 4K stream is a mixed bag: very little grain, some gaudy colors, out of focus shots, completely black night scenes & some really stellar moments. Most is obviously bit rate related (let us know if the disc is much better?), some the print & processing. I wonder what the bit overhead of HDR & Dolby Vision is vs regular Blu-ray? If you're on the fence about this release & have a 4K player (I don't) I'd recommend going for the disc ($4 vs $24) as a safer bet. Enjoy!
The stream wasn’t a mixed bag to me. It looked great and the 4K/UHD is even better with its higher bit rate.
 

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