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I didn't realize this 4K disc uses a recycled master. I thought it looks great on 4K regardless but now I'll always imagine it looking nicer if it ever got a fresh scan and re-issued without the AI "enhancements" - something I don't expect will ever happen while JC is alive.
 

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In the case of Aliens, as he details on the Blu-Ray documentaries, James Horner was under a severe time crunch to deliver a score and had James Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd breathing down his neck and threatening to fire him the whole time, so he can be forgiven for not reinventing the wheel on that one.
 

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In the case of Aliens, as he details on the Blu-Ray documentaries, James Horner was under a severe time crunch to deliver a score and had James Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd breathing down his neck and threatening to fire him the whole time, so he can be forgiven for not reinventing the wheel on that one.

Seems he had that problem a lot, because he just kept reusing those same music cues over and over and over again for the rest of his career. :biggrin:
 

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Seems he had that problem a lot, because he just kept reusing those same music cues over and over and over again for the rest of his career. :biggrin:
That combined with directors who said, "I really loved the score you did for Aliens! Why don't you do something just like that for my movie?"

The nice thing about James Horner was that I never had to wait for the "music by" credit to know who'd done the score.
 
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That combined with directors who said, "I really loved the score you did for Aliens! Why don't you do something just like that for my movie?"

The nice thing about James Horner was that I never had to wait for the "music by" credit to know who'd done the score.

I don't mean to speak ill of the dead. Horner was a big talent, and he cranked out an astounding volume of work in his time. Some repetition and recycling was inevitable. He was one of the go-to composers who was always on the shortlist for any new blockbuster movie in production.

But, yes, for those paying attention, the over-familiarity of many of his signature music cues got to be frustrating.
 

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I don't mean to speak ill of the dead. Horner was a big talent, and he cranked out an astounding volume of work in his time. Some repetition and recycling was inevitable. He was one of the go-to composers who was always on the shortlist for any new blockbuster movie in production.

But, yes, for those paying attention, the over-familiarity of many of his signature music cues got to be frustrating.
To be fair, that's nothing compared to Akira Ifukube, and he's pretty much universally considered to be a legend. But to be fair to him, the turnaround time that Cameron gave to Horner was nothing compared to what Ifukube had to deal with, especially in the Showa era. He only had a few days on some films from that era -- literally, only a few days -- so he really didn't have a choice but to rely on his standard bag of tricks,
 

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Seems he had that problem a lot, because he just kept reusing those same music cues over and over and over again for the rest of his career. :biggrin:
When he wasn't ripping off Khachaturian or Prokofiev.
 

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When he wasn't ripping off Khachaturian or Prokofiev.

I'm not super familiar w/ their music, especially Khachaturian's, but which pieces did Horner plunder for which score?

I do love me some Prokofiev (mainly his violin concertos and sonatas and maybe also piano concertos)...

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Indeed. Just about every notable film composer has borrowed heavily from the classics.

Hmmm... did Korngold? ;):D

FWIW, I was actually not that impressed w/ his violin concerto (when I finally got around to checking it out), which he apparently basically did the opposite of what we're talking here (though plundering his own film scores I guess?), heh...

Anyway, seems like vast majority of film scores that borrowed heavily from the classics didn't really borrow from the (IMHO) best of the classics anyway, which is probably why I'm not familiar w/ most such examples, heh... ;)

Honestly, I was very bored by Holst's The Planets for instance and can't remember nearly enough of it to know what John Williams borrowed from it... though sure, I can certainly imagine -- I'm wondering if anyone will bring up some film scores that borrowed from Mahler as his works certainly seem riped for that...

Truthfully, I really don't find most film scores to be that great musically speaking, which is probably why I almost never listen to them apart from the actual movies. Generally, the film scores that I find quite that worthy actually originated from musical theater instead of the film adaptations. Some of John Williams' best works are probably the only exceptions I can think offhand... but really, JW's works are almost child's play compared to vast majority of the classical music canon and not difficult to play at all -- the Star Wars and Harry Potter music can mostly be played to a great extent by anyone w/ the most basic violin skills, including me (as an adult novice), for instance, and I actually use some of that sheet music to motivate my kids early on... although his more recent reworking of some of that in collaboration w/ Anne Sophie Mutter did seem to advance those a good deal more to be somewhat more interesting/complex...

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