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UHD Review A few words about...™ The Wizard of Oz -- in 4k UHD Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. Osato

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    Ordered!

    thank you Robert!!
     
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    Robert Harris

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    I had asked the source, not the date, of your continuity, because the extra that came with a WoO special set would be a non-original copy - re-typed from the pages I offered - with dialogue “confirmed” from the latest video release at that time.

    The release with the incorrect/extra words.

    Who ever said these things were easy? An earlier video product is generally not a reference.
     
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    Edited by PMF
     
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    The story that I heard is that when doing the restoration it was discovered that this was a mistake that had been baked in and they have now corrected it. But people were used to and in love with the mistake of "Oh, Toto, Toto!" and are now sad it's gone.
     
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    Is Sunrise Records exclusively releasing this in Canada? I don't see any other Canadian retailers selling it...
     
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    Thank you for clearing that up. It is an obvious reel change on the pre-50th anniversary laser and VHS edition, and I always suspected the script was created from the video master since any other film script I have ever read is not word for word like this one was.
     
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    The 4K disc looks more correct to me (sepia wise) in this screen capture comparison:

    https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=437&y=259&d1=13509&d2=13508&s1=135811&s2=135792&l=0&i=0&go=1

    Mark
     
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    Will Krupp

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    I'm not so sure about that, Mark (at least not based on those screen caps, especially the second one featuring Dorothy with Professor Marvel) Weren't the Kansas scenes supposed to have been sepia toned rather than sepia tinted? In toning, (to make a long story short) a chemical is introduced to turn the silver in the release print to a silver sulfide, which replaces the gray scale with a sepia scale but leaves the whites of the image mostly unaffected. It makes a brown and white image (like the blu-ray screen caps) which differs from a tinted print, which simply washes the whole image with dye and turns the whites a (in this case) sepia color as well (like the 4k screen caps.)

    Unless I'm mistaken about the original prints, the whites should be whiter and not look dyed or tinted.
     
  9. Robert Harris

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    One would be best to reference the original printing instructions, or examine a 1939 print, I’ve not seen one. I do recall a print of Mighty Joe Young (nitrate) that was sepia tinted, as I recall, and not toned.
     
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    The framing is slightly different. The new version crops more at the bottom and left. But in both cases, it is extra image that wouldn't have been seen originally. Correct?
     
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    Remove at least 5% , and then all add’l info that would be lost by cutting a plate to make a trapezoid appear to be rectangular. Figure 15-20% loss all around
     
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    If you're concern about framing then don't see it at a Dolby Cinema theater like I just got back from.;)
     
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    Oh, no! Pretty severe?
     
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    Cropping on the top that I didn't remember seeing when the 3-D version was on an IMAX screen. Perhaps, my memory is faulty and it was there too.
     
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    :emoji_smile:
     
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    Thanks Mark and Will for the comments on the sepia ... I must admit that based on the screen shots I do like the look of the new UHD sepia even if it's not authentic. Maybe I'll set both discs running at the same time on my two Oppos and switch between in real-time to see which I prefer. Yes, I'm that mad..... I'll wait till I'm home alone.
     
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    Which Blu-ray version is included in the 4K package?
     
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    The 75th Anniversary Blu-ray which I believe came out in 2013.
     
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    Wait a minute - are you saying they did a brand new transfer of this film for 4K and didn't use THAT for the included Blu-ray? Are you serious?
     
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    You act like that's unusual. :eek:
     
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