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UHD Review A few words about...™ The Wizard of Oz -- in 4k UHD Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. Worth

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    I'd be very surprised if the overwhelming majority of people were aware that a 4K disc format even exists.
     
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    If they are available at Walmart in Cross Lanes, WV, I can guarantee that most folks have at least seen them in a store, even if they haven't bought one.
     
  3. Stephen_J_H

    Stephen_J_H All Things Film Junkie

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    Is this in the category of "has to be seen to be believed", or are you able to expound further on how it looks. I think we're in agreement that most current masters of early Technicolor titles look very different from their initial releases.It sounds like a careful hand was on the tiller when applying HDR.
     
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    Pretty sure @moviebuff75 doesn't have the 4K yet...
     
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    Yay, I'm in luck, my screen is 75"! Thank you, Noel, for granting me permission to enjoy the upgrade.

    :rolleyes:

    Mark
     
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    I'll be enjoying the upgrade (through my final model Oppo) because I have a 150-inch projector screen in my living room, which is about 30 feet long. We sit a bit more than halfway back in that room ... maybe 16 feet from the screen. It seems perfect ... especially since cataract operations on both eyes!
     
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    Douglas_H

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    I have a 4k player & a calibrated 4k OLED display, there's no way I didn't pre-order this on announcement.
    A bone fide classic.

    Question for RAH, how does the sepia beginning & end look to you in comparison?
     
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    I am for film preservation. They deleted a line of dialogue, and that is not okay. It is supposed to be there. I know I have repeated myself, but I am one of few who care enough about the film to want it re-instated. I don't care if it is the word "I." It should never have been taken out. They have had 21 years now to put it back in. They said the change was temporary and wouldn't replace the original, but it has. WB, you have done a tremendous job with it, except for this. Someone who is there, please listen to me. :(
     
  9. Robert Harris

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    Can you supply a time code, please?
     
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    It's around the 9.45-9.55 mark as they're placing Toto in Miss Gulch's basket. I'm all for film preservation, but to me it's an insignificant second of dialogue with a missing "Toto" that has been a major issue for some people around here. IMO, it has little bearing on the film sequence.

    The earlier discussion about that line of dialogue is here.
     
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    Appreciated
     
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    I will search my Criterion disc to see if it’s on there. And that LD mono soundtrack quality was fine if I recall.
     
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    noel aguirre

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    You’re welcome- enjoy every freckle! In stereo!
     
  14. Robert Harris

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    I do not have a cutting cont. from the time code, it appears that this dia came at the cut between reel 1A and B.

    If this is the case, there may have been repeated words on the track, that would be properly lost in positive print conformation, but would be retained at that cutting point in all other track elements, where audio continues for a certain number of frames, 18 as I recall.
     
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    The cutting continuity script has the line as "Oh, Toto! Don't..." They took the last part of the first line and the second part of the next line to make "Oh, Don't" and it actually changes her line reading from exasperation to a whimper.
     
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    Edited by PMF
     
  17. Robert Harris

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    Here's the continuity:

    WOOCuttingContinuityTitlePageMarch151939 001.

    WOOCuttingContinuityAugust11939Reel1Page9 001.


    WOOCuttingContinuityAugust11939Reel1Page10 001.
     
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  18. Robert Harris

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    Any repetition would be in error. A repeat of the word "don't" would be from audio on the neg, but meant to be cut at the 1A/1B join.
     
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    Weird. My copy of the continuity script has additional information about camera angles and says specifically: Oh, Toto! Don't!
    Also, if it were repeated, it sounds like a different reading of the line. And what is that strange voice in the background that wasn't there before the remix?
     
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    Why am I not surprised that did this did not settle the matter?
     
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