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- Robert Harris
I've decided to separate this thread from my earlier Fury discussion, as I'd like to avoid any concept of competition between Arrow and Twilight Time.
Two different companies. Two different business models.
Here's what I'm seeing in the Arrow R2 release of The Fury.
Partially because it's a newer scan as opposed to an older transfer, and from the OCN, grain structure is smoother, and noticeably so. Older transfers had a bit of sharpening built in at the capture level, and one can see that in the TT release. It was state of the art.
I honestly am unable to comment on color or density, as I don't have reference, or even reference in my memory bank. I doubt that anyone who worked on either of the transfers had good reference either. There are some who know this film well, and can comment. I'm not one of them.
The TT release had a bit of built-in dirt, mostly in dupes. This has been cleaned up in the Arrow release. Strangely, the dirt in dupes, makes the TT release appear a bit more film-like, as in projection prints.
Bottom line is that these are both quality releases. Sit at a proper distance, and both will look superb. Get up close, and the grain, especially in dupes in the TT version, will appear sharpened, which was part of the normal process.
As noted, these are different image harvests, from different elements, produced years apart. They're both quality Blu-rays, and I'd rate them equally.
If I had to give an edge, I'd give it to the Arrow release for the extra effort in clean-up, as well as making the effort and paying the price to access the OCN. James White has done a superb job for Arrow in overseeing, preparing and digitally rendering the elements for release.
Image - 5
Audio - 5
Recommended.
Note: While the Twilight Time release is officially "sold out," copies have been purchased by that very special crowd, who make a market on eBay in resales. Currently available at auction with bids in the mid-teens. When those dry up, the Arrow will be a good bet for those with multi-region players, a group which I've recently joined.
RAH
Two different companies. Two different business models.
Here's what I'm seeing in the Arrow R2 release of The Fury.
Partially because it's a newer scan as opposed to an older transfer, and from the OCN, grain structure is smoother, and noticeably so. Older transfers had a bit of sharpening built in at the capture level, and one can see that in the TT release. It was state of the art.
I honestly am unable to comment on color or density, as I don't have reference, or even reference in my memory bank. I doubt that anyone who worked on either of the transfers had good reference either. There are some who know this film well, and can comment. I'm not one of them.
The TT release had a bit of built-in dirt, mostly in dupes. This has been cleaned up in the Arrow release. Strangely, the dirt in dupes, makes the TT release appear a bit more film-like, as in projection prints.
Bottom line is that these are both quality releases. Sit at a proper distance, and both will look superb. Get up close, and the grain, especially in dupes in the TT version, will appear sharpened, which was part of the normal process.
As noted, these are different image harvests, from different elements, produced years apart. They're both quality Blu-rays, and I'd rate them equally.
If I had to give an edge, I'd give it to the Arrow release for the extra effort in clean-up, as well as making the effort and paying the price to access the OCN. James White has done a superb job for Arrow in overseeing, preparing and digitally rendering the elements for release.
Image - 5
Audio - 5
Recommended.
Note: While the Twilight Time release is officially "sold out," copies have been purchased by that very special crowd, who make a market on eBay in resales. Currently available at auction with bids in the mid-teens. When those dry up, the Arrow will be a good bet for those with multi-region players, a group which I've recently joined.
RAH