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A Few Words About A few words about...™ Sweet Charity - in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Harold Chasen

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    Can anyone comment on how the Kino version (which I don't have) compares to the French blu ray (which I do have)?
     
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    Yes. The French blu-ray is missing the Entr’acte and Exit Music.
     
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    Yesterday I received the Film Forum's upcoming calendar in the mail and 2 Special Screenings of a "new 4K restoration" of Sweet Charity are scheduled for October. Along with the film, there will be "2 Alternate Endings" shown.

    Since there are 2 versions of the film included on the bluray, is there an additional alternate ending included on this disc?
     
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    No.
     
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    Too bad. Then to KinoLorber's representative I ask "Why not?"
     
  6. JohnMor

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    The calendar says “With 2 Alternate Endings,” not 2 *additional* alternate endings.
     
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    That's redundant. One of the endings is not alternate, therefore there are either two endings or one alternate ending. Two alternate endings means three endings.
     
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    JohnMor

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    No, it could simply be the proper, literal definition. “Alternate” does not mean “not original.” We use it that way, but that is not the definition. “2 alternate endings” can literally mean 2 endings that can be alternated. Whereas if they had said “Includes Alternate Ending” it could be construed as that showing is featuring *only* what we call the happy ending.
     
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    This is now making me wonder if there was an alternate Entr'acte, too.:rolleyes:
     
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    No, after 20+ years of going to Film Forum, it means 3 endings. One original and two alternates.

    If however your literal definition is correct, I can assure you, my fellow New Yorkers who are Film Forum regulars will make their displeasure known. (If you have ever been perceived to have munched popcorn too loudly there, you know exactly what I mean.)

    In any case, the correct answer will be known in October.
     
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    Where was the alternate ending shown as the real theatrical ending if anywhere?
     
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    If it is the happy ending we are talking about.-Yes in Australia and it was , so I am told, the only country where the film was successful.
     
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    The "Heavyweight" and The "Big Finish" music in the sequence at the restaurant is out-of-synch with the dancers if the same 4K master used on the French Blu-ray was repurposed for Kino's release (as it seems that it was with the same black screen and no audio for the intermission and missing entr'acte and exit music).

    This concerns me as future digital screenings and releases will probably still have these errors if people don't speak out.

    I don't have the Kino release and don't see any need to purchase it as I had the French release, but can maybe Robert Harris view those three minutes (from around 29 minutes to 32 minutes into the film) and see if the music and movements seem out-of-synch?
     
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    Try listening to Lee Gambian on the commentary for The Reincarnation of Peter Proud. And yet he's doing more tracks for Kino. :-(
     
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    Yes. I posted the missing musical segments to YouTube and earlier in this thread.
     
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    The entire Pompei Club dance sequence has been on youtube for a while and I've watched it many times. No synch problems there. If this is true how strange.
     
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    I recently watched my French blu-ray thru twice in one week. No sync problems on the number that I could tell.
     
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    I recall that when 7 Brides For 7 Brothers came out on blu, someone complainted that the dancers steps were "out of sync". I didn't notice it on my copy so I expect the Pompeii club dance number will play out just fine for most people.
     
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    Just viewed Kino's "Sweet Charity" and for those who remain on the fence;
    due to the Entr'acte and Exit Music debacle; I would say don't be, despite those disappointments.
    The 4K work that was performed on the film, itself, is exactly as Robert Harris had described;
    which, needless to say, is never less than what he puts forth in all of his reviews.
    What a pleasure to see and have another maximized and spruced up work by DP Robert Surtees.
    As for the sound? Well, once again, RAH said it best. "Sonic".
    This, alone, brings to the "Sweet Charity" experience its own isolated pleasures of renewal;
    especially since we're talking about a soundtrack that holds the orchestration by the great Ralph Burns.:thumbs-up-smiley:
     
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    SWEET CHARITY is on TCM August 25 at 12:45 am.
     

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