Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
FWIW, screenshots of Carlito's Way have already appeared online (at least at DVDBeaver), and they look free of any DNR or EE "enhancements."
Thanks. I remain hopeful.
Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
FWIW, screenshots of Carlito's Way have already appeared online (at least at DVDBeaver), and they look free of any DNR or EE "enhancements."
Originally Posted by GMpasqua
Buying classic films on Blu-Ray WILL look better than the DVd, and it will send the message to the studios that classics will sell
Originally Posted by Richard--W
Note to Universal:
[SIZE= 36px]No Sale.[/SIZE]
If people write to Universal and tell them their refusal to buy is because of the poor quality and NOT because it's a classic film, the message most assuredly will not be what you say. It never ceases to fascinate me how some people use DVD as their quality reference instead of FILM, which is what they should be using.Originally Posted by Douglas R
I'm sorry but, as has been said in similar cases before, the only message which Universal will receive if people don't buy it is that classic movies don't sell, which will harm the prospect of further classic titles.
Thanks for the review, I am sad to read about another classic fail by Universal. I was hoping that they already went back to the 65mm IP but I see that instead it is the HD-DVD all over again together with a few tweaks to make the picture look prettier.Originally Posted by Robert Harris
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I would suggest a recall. Spartacus on Blu-ray could have been as Mr. Kubrick wished it to be – a heroic and majestic piece of epic entertainment. With a simple new image harvest, Spartacus could be a piece of brilliant Blu-ray software.
As it is, Spartacus receives an absolute and undeniable…
Fail.
RAH
Originally Posted by Steve Christou
I wonder how many of you would have known there was something wrong with Spartacus if you hadn't looked at RAH's thread and just went ahead and bought it? /img/vbsmilies/htf/smiley_wink.gif
Would your reaction have been "Oh my this is bad!", or would it have been "Wow! Spartacus has never looked this lovely before, why it looks brand new, can't wait to tell the guys on the forum!" ? /img/vbsmilies/htf/biggrin.gif
I bought Patton on Blu and thought it looked great on my 42inch tv. I am curious to check out Spartacus, one of my top ten favourite films, and compare it to my upscaled Criterion and region 2 special edition dvds.
Try viewing at 104 inches and then get back to me, smaller screens can hide the hideousness of some transfers especially if you are viewing from a distance that is not ideal for your screen size.Originally Posted by Steve Christou
I bought Patton on Blu and thought it looked great on my 42inch tv. I am curious to check out Spartacus, one of my top ten favourite films, and compare it to my upscaled Criterion and region 2 special edition dvds.
Actually, Mr. Harris eloquently elaborated in words on what I had already seen from screenshots--that this release looks godawful-waxy and lacking detail (and I didn't need a 104 inch screen to see that, but a 21 inch monitor). You and others saying things such as "well, it looks ok if the screen is small enough", or "DVD is my standard for how good something looks, and as long as it's better that in some way I think everything is fine" can deny it to yourselves and others all you want, but nothing you can say changes the fact that Spartacus should have looked much, much better and easily could have looked much, much better. All it took was for Universal to be run by people who really give a damn about film.Originally Posted by Steve Christou
I wonder how many of you would have known there was something wrong with Spartacus if you hadn't looked at RAH's thread and just went ahead and bought it? /img/vbsmilies/htf/smiley_wink.gif
I'm going to bring something up once again, that was discussed over a year ago -- the propriety of assumption by the Blu-ray purchasing public that what they're buying will meet their needs regardless of the current parameters of their home theater screening environment.Originally Posted by Steve Christou
104inches? That is big. The screen I saw Iron Man 2 in yesterday can't have been much bigger than your screen, it was tiny (for a cinema screen).
No we like it cosy here, and 42inches is the right size for our living room. If blu-ray flaws look less obvious on my screen, than I count myself lucky. And I have no plans to turn my garage into a home cinema so I can slap my face in horror at the quality of my blu-ray collection. /img/vbsmilies/htf/smiley_wink.gif
Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I tend to think that these are gray areas and not hard line black and white issues.
That is a magnificent post, Mr. Harris. Thank you.Originally Posted by Robert Harris
I'm going to bring something up once again, that was discussed over a year ago -- the propriety of assumption by the Blu-ray purchasing public that what they're buying will meet their needs regardless of the current parameters of their home theater screening environment.
With most every product sold there is an assumption of quality. Larger purchases -- cars, ovens, cameras, all come with warranties.
When Blu-ray packaging is emblazoned with the words "The perfect hi-def MOVIE experience," the images and sounds encoded to the disc contained within had better be precisely that.
People buy Criterion Blu-rays and DVDs, and earlier purchased their laser discs, because there was an assumption that what they were purchasing could not be technologically better.
Look at the disparity between distributors. Take Universal, or Paramount (with some of their original HD product derived from film), or product from any of the other studios, as this is not about Universal -- and compare it to the Blu-rays placed into the marketplace by filmmaker William Lustig's Blue Underground. Yesterday I previewed City of the Living Dead, and as anyone who is familiar with his product might assume -- it looks like film. He has gone to the expense of harvesting an image from the original negative in Rome.
The fact that someone is viewing their Blu-rays on a 42" monitor could not be more irrelevant to the point. There are many young people starting out, in their first apartments or starter homes, that are INVESTING in the future of their entertainment systems by purchasing Blu-ray product, fully aware that the full impact of the technology will not be visible on their present system. I had a discussion with a young lady at Borders last week as she was ringing up my Blu-ray purchase. She informed me that she and her boyfriend had just bought the same disc in SD. When I asked her why not Blu-ray, she explained that they could not yet afford an HD monitor.
By the time I left, she was considering the purchase of a Blu-ray player which would be connected to their present (non-HD set), now aware of the concept of purchasing software ONCE, as opposed to upgrading when they had the funds to make a larger investment.
Many people have no idea that Blu-rays can be played on older TVs, even if the unit is black & white and has rabbit ears. Yes, Blu-rays can be played on a 1948 Dumont.
The concept here is that every Blu-ray disc should meet certain technical standards, and by that I do not mean 1080p.
I know a gentleman who has made an incredible investment in his home theater. Blu-ray players with a signal going through HD, as well as 2k and 4k projectors. His screen is 10 x 18 feet. FEET. That's a bit larger than 108". His audio system is likewise incredible.
And the resultant image from Blu-ray?
Looks very much like film.
Reviewers of Blu-ray discs should not need to deal with resolution, black levels, color, noise and overall quality characteristics.
When someone purchases a Blu-ray disc, they should KNOW that it will service their needs as THE PERFECT HI-DEF MOVIE EXPERIENCE in their home theater today, as well has when they buy a home and have their own home theater with a 108" or 10x18 foot screen.
The concept, in 2010, of attempting to make do by digitally scrubbing and thereby destroying the look of old video masters that were created to service the SD world, is the antithesis of what should be occurring.
Warner Bros. has an HD master of Singin' in the Rain.
Why don't we have a Blu-ray?
Because they refuse to release it based upon a 1080i master that otherwise looks gorgeous.
George Feltenstein and others at Warner refuse to knowingly give the public anything less than as perfect a product as they can. When Singin' in the Rain passes muster for quality, then they'll release it, and you can bet that Ned Price will pull out all the stops.
Consider buying that nice new car.
Pretty paint. Great brochure. The salesman tells you that the muckmobile that he's trying to sell will outperform a Porsche, give you fuel economy somewhere between a Prius and a Telsa, and a full leather interior unheard of this side of a Rolls-Royce. But the moment you try to drive it away from the dealership -- it fails. Sorry. No warranty.
The perfect Hi-def MOVIE experience.
Anything that is not up to the full potential of industry standards should be returned to the vendor.
Anything less than the quality that one receives from Blue Underground should be impermissible.
No excuses.
RAH
Perhaps "investing" isn't quite the right word, since we don't purchase these discs hoping for an increase in their monetary value. But the point you are making for what I would call "future-proofing" is a good one. I made similar arguments a long time ago (when Usenet newsgroups were hot-beds of discussion), recommending that people with then-standard 4:3 TV's demand "anamorphic" (16:9) DVD transfers of widescreen films from the studios instead of accepting Laserdisc re-treads, since they would look much better on the 16:9 TVs they would likely own within a few years. My arguments largely fell on deaf ears.Originally Posted by Robert Harris
...There are many young people starting out, in their first apartments or starter homes, that are INVESTING in the future of their entertainment systems by purchasing Blu-ray product, fully aware that the full impact of the technology will not be visible on their present system.