A Few Words About A few words about...™ High Noon -- in Blu-ray

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  1. Robert Harris

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    The best way to treat film grain is to leave it alone.

    If you don't bother it...

    You get into problems with processing.

    No information re: any Paramount process.
     
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    They've rejected lesser quality. Their bar just isn't as high as many home theater enthusiast's bar.
     
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    I have this on order from importcds (along with Rio Grande and Johnny Guitar). Currently the discs are backordered, but I'm not going to cancel my order. Looking at the screen caps from Beaver (even though that is not an exact science), it looks a WHOLE lot better than my current Artisan DVD.
     
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    It's weird hearing about processed grain structure on this release. The prints Olive usually gets are usually quickie remasters without much else done with them. I guess High Noon got "special" treatment by Paramount somewhere down the line.
    That must have been Artisan Entertainment and considering some of the horrid VHS-era transfers they had on their releases, I'm inclined to believe that.
     
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    They do look far superior to the DVDs, especially since old DVD of 'Body Snatchers' was non-anamorphic. If better source materials are uncovered, I might upgrade, but I'm fairly pleased to finally have decent looking copies of these films. If the rest of the Republic series is at this level, it will be a quantum leap from the poor, almost VHS looking DVD transfers we've had for years.
     
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    It irks me no end. No excuse it couldn't have been framed correctly.
     
  8. JParker

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    None of what you said bodes well for the future release, evidently by Olive, of The Quiet Man. I was looking forward to it. Now, who knows?
     
  9. Bob Furmanek

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    THE QUIET MAN has been fully restored by the UCLA Film and Television Archive.
     
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    Exactly, Olive take what they are given.
     
  11. Robert Harris

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    Simple, then.

    Paramount should be ashamed of themselves. How would they like it if someone added crawling, sticky grain to their greats...

    say, Cloverfield.

    RAH
     
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    Didn't they add a little grain to Cloverfield post production, ( shot digitally ) i can't remember, been a few years since i saw it, but then you know this and it's probably why you mention that film title to me.

    Yes Paramount and indeed many more of the film studio's should be ashamed of themselves, they have a format capable of producing film like images in the home but all too often they compromise the quality, sometimes because they deem a new film scan as an expense not worth paying, sometimes they are not looking at the bigger picture that they will be archiving the film for future generations to enjoy, sometimes because they think film grain is just noise and is evil thus they try eradicating it and causing bigger issues, sometimes because they decide an old film scan from ten years or more ago is fine. ( on that note i'll probably be complaining about Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom in September )

    I'd put you in charge of the whole Blu ray operation if i had the say in these things, at least then things would be done right all the time.
     
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    I can't verify the accuracy of this information, but it was posted in 2008 on another forum:
    High Noon (1952) - Estar (modern safety stock) dupe neg has been made from original nitrate negative; soundtrack restored
     
  14. JParker

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    Yes, but would Olive use it? That's the $64,000 question. And Robert Harris wrote elsewhere how the best Blu-ray possible could be created from a 4k scan, which I have no idea (and given this film I doubt) whether Olive would do one. I inquired just on a release date, via their contact form on their site and no reply. I guess they have all the customers they need...
    Found the post: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/321298/exclusive-htf-interview-gretchen-wayne-on-the-blu-ray-release-of-hondo/30#post_3936475
    In fact, I asked about a 4K scan on their site inquiry form, no reply, zilch, zip, nada.
    http://www.olivefilms.com/about-us/
    :rolleyes: Right!
    Anyone else wants to try?
     
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    I just emailed them and enquired about The Quiet Man, i reckon if enough people ask about the 4K film scan they may get the message.
     
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    Alright, after watching this BRD in its entirety, I can see why RAH would crap over the video presentation knowing his standards and expertise. With that said, I thought the opening credit sequence with Tex Ritter singing was mediocre at best and I'm being kind there. However, I thought the rest of the BRD wasn't as mediocre and in some sequences, it looked quite good for the most part. No way, should Olive or Paramount be proud with this video presentation as it could've been much better, so instead of getting the highest grade of 5 video-wise, I would give it a 3.5 on my scale. My grade is more forgiving than RAH's, but I think many folks would be satisfied with this BRD, but those of us that want the best possible HD presentations made available to us will not be satisfied with it. The fight to keep pushing these home video companies into giving us their best efforts with the product they're releasing for sale is far from over and I'm afraid we'll never get there in the disc era. Next up, the pod BRD.





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  17. JParker

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    Thanks Foxy. Let us know; it would be great if RAH worked with them on this film! :)
     
  18. Bob Furmanek

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    Add me to the list of people who have reached out to Olive (concerning the Jerry Lewis titles and my relationship with Mr. Lewis) and never getting a reply. In fact, I wrote to them via their site as well as the person that was posting their press releases here.
    Silence.
     
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    I'm afraid that won't be true for certain reviews here.




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    No. There must be an intermediate positive.

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