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UHD Review A few words about...™ Halloween -- in 4k UHD Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Sep 24, 2018.

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    Robert Harris

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    This should be the Halloween that fans have been waiting for since CED and VHS days, and it's higher in quality than either.

    John Carpenter's original 1978, low-budget horror masterpiece, has arrived on 4k, courtesy of Lionsgate's program of newly harvesting images of their catalog titles.

    We'll skip to the bottom line.

    Absolutely gorgeous, with beautifully rendered color, great shadow detail, and luscious moving grain.

    Superb audio.

    And a genuine rarity.

    A genre classic that set standards for decades to come.


    Image - 5 (HDR10 / Dolby Vision)

    Audio - 5 (7.1 Dolby TrueHD)

    Pass / Fail - Pass

    Upgrade from Blu-ray - Don't even think about not grabbing this one in 4k.

    Very Highly Recommended

    RAH

     
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  2. Robert Crawford

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    Oh boy, watch out for incoming from some Halloween fans that aren't happy about the lack of mono audio or whatever other issue they may have with it. My copy arrives tomorrow and I'll be watching it as soon as my mail arrives to me.
     
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    Thanks for the assessment Mr. Harris! I'm looking forward to this one.
     
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    Ueah this could have been a GREAT 4K if we got the original MONO track in HD audio. They included the DVD quality DD MONO from a 5.1 mixdown instead.

    The 7.1 audio mix has altered audio on some effects and score
     
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    Can’t wait to spin mine tomorrow. Lack of original mono is a bit of a bummer but in no way a dealbreaker.
     
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    Monaural is included. Have no idea if it's the original mix.
     
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    How does this compare to this 1080p Blu-ray in terms of color grading, which seems has always been an item of contest?

    https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/a-few-words-about-™-halloween-35th-anniversary-in-blu-ray.326593/
     
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    It has been confirmed by others it is the 5.1 Mix Down Mono track. Instead of the Dolby True HD ORIGINAL mono found on the Box Set edtions of Disc 1.

    It seems Lionsgate either accidently chose the wrong Mono mix or just didnt care. The fact no one at Lionsgate questioned it Id say they didnt care.
     
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    It is not ( from what I’ve read).
     
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    I may have been more concerned about the original mono audio when I was younger, but only from an archival perspective in my own collection. The surround mix is good. Every time I watch this title, I pick the surround track, not the mono. I've got a very large center channel with dual 10" bass drivers, 2 5.5" mids, and a tweeter. Full range. I still prefer the surround over the mono even though the mono track has a really good shot at being good through a full range centre channel. A small center channel...hmmmm. While original mono may be original, the sound is a big part of the movie and the surround option is a good choice. Individual choices may vary...

    Lack of original mono is not preventing me to buy it. Otherwise we should watch this movie with all of the scratches and pieces of tape holding strips of film together like on some of the earliest releases. No digital colour changes. No clean up. No 4K. Let's make it look like a cheap theater presentation as seen in 1978.

    Moving forward, studios should just cross the Ts and dot their i with their releases just to make sure they've covered their bases. No assumptions to make completists happy. And completists make a good portion of 4K purchases. We're film lovers :D
     
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    Same here. Our major bummer is that the lossless mono track is already there and ready on the box set. It wasn't a case of them not going back to the original tapes or film to make a new one. They could have easily ripped the track from the box blu off of the shelf itself and muxed it in. There are tons online freeware apps where anyone can do it themselves. The 7.1 track quite serviceable though, so it is not a deal-breaker.

    I have a solution though. Karl Pilkington mentioned that he had an uncle that had 2 TVs. One with a bad tube, the other with no sound, and he could watch TV by just tuning both to the same channel. Just set up 2 bluray players.....
     
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    Mine should arrive today and I'm planning on (trying) to watch this week since I won't be in the States for Halloween this year. I almost cancelled the order, but for the amount I paid for it, it's a no brainer.
     
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    Which Halloween release has the proper Mono track?
     
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    Just the first disc in the Complete Collection box set. It is an updated version of the 35th anniversary disc with a lossless Dolby TrueHD mono track. A link from DVD compare to shows that it is also available in this set.
    The 4K has a lossy incorrect mono track with the 4K 35th ann transfer and the SDR Blu in that set is the old 2007 disc with the same incorrect mono.
     
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    I watched my 4K/UHD this afternoon and I'm very happy with it, both, video and audio-wise.
     
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    Guy, they got double dips to plan. It just wouldn’t be Halloween if it’s perfect the first time on a new format. Next one will have the proper mono track but the color timing will be FUBAR. Can’t wait to buy it AGAIN!
     
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    One cool thing about this release that I noticed right away was that the stills on the back of the box were the same ones used on the 80’s VHS release.
     
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    I watched the UHD disc this evening, and was quite pleased with the audio and video -- except for that one scene when Laurie is walking home that's never been fixed where the pavement looks wet. ;)
     
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    Never mind the wet pavement, how about digitally removing the palm trees in Illinois!
     
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    I got this yesterday and watched it in both Dolby Vision and then in HDR10 (by disabling Dolby Vision in my Panasonic UB820 player). I also compared it then with the 35th anniversary Blu-ray. All this on a 65" LG OLED display.

    While the 4K shows more detail, the problem is the the black levels are inconsistent between Dolby Vision and HDR10, too lifted on the former and better on the latter, but the 35th anniversary Blu-ray still looks best.

    In terms of color, it looks very close to the 35th anniversary Blu-ray, which is the Dean Cundey approved transfer. But for me, I found the Blu-ray to look best overall.

    Which leads me to this: The problem with any 4K disc with HDR10 or Dolby Vision, is that due to the lack of any standards for calibration (or even the ability to calibrate those modes properly and accurately on any consumer display device), is that it's impossible to tell what's correct color or black levels. Every display device will vary, because of that - everyone will see it a bit differently, sometimes a lot differently. With the 1080p SDR/REC.709 35th anniversary Blu-ray, because SDR *is* properly "calibrate-able" per standards, it's easy to say with confidence how something looks - proper or not. But at least you know how it was intended to look. And everyone that has SDR calibrated to standards will see the same colors, etc.

    I do think this is an important point to make.

    Having said that, I will keep both discs, for the different commentary track and extras on the included 2007 Blu-ray that the 4K UHD disc comes with. The 35th anniversary Blu-ray has the same commentary track as the 4K disc.
     

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