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Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Oct 4, 2012.
It's a long story:
Yes, reports indicate the Lowry scans were used; however, that doesn't mean that additional DNR wasn't applied during Blu-ray authoring. Reliance worked on TITANIC, which got a rave review here and ALIENS, which everyone worried about in advance, but Mr. Harris wrote:
That suggests to me that these Blu-rays could have looked terrific if the studio wanted; I think the evidence points to the owners of the film desiring this "look". See this article:
Regarding the work of Reliance:
OK, I just found something more from another site, which I hope isn't considered venturing on hostile territory, it may explain a great deal:
So was Goldeneye a film taken from a video master? I suspect Mr. Belson from Fox, even if they distributed, played no part, which is too bad. I wonder if money was a problem, given MGM's financial condition. My point, however, is that Reliance could have done a great job if the original directors, if possible, were involved, as Cameron was.
I suppose we'll learn more as time passes.
I haven't gotten to GoldenEye yet, but at the end of each movie should be a Restoration Credits screen. If there's a listing for a 4k scan, it was done new at the time of the 2006 Ulimate Edition DVDs. If there's no listing for a 4k scan, Lowry just applied some digital tinkering to an existing HD master.
At the time the Ulimate Edition DVDs were released, many people complained that GoldenEye had been zoomed-in and was missing picture from all four sides of the frame. The Blu-ray reportedly does not have this issue. People have speculated that this means that MGM went back to an older, DNR-laden but properly-framed DVD master and didn't use the Lowry Ultimate Edition master.
Thanks, Josh. But to clarify, I've no idea, unless you can tell from the credits, that the Blu-ray was "authored" by Reliance/Lowry, i.e., MGM didn't have some other facility make the Blu-ray from Lowry work. But I wonder which titles are from videos? Maybe Mr. Finn from Fox could find out an answer, unless that would create diplomatic problems.
A ton of individual Bond tiles are on sale now at Amazon.com. Check the price drop link on this site.
When Lowry Digital remasterd the movies, they created a series of HD masters that were given to MGM. MGM (or Fox, I'm not sure) downconverted the masters to 480i for the DVDs and to 1080p for the Blu-rays. The actual disc authoring (putting the files on the disc, creating the menus, etc.) was performed by Fox. That's why all of the discs open with a Fox trailer, not an MGM trailer.
I just checked GoldenEye, and the disc does not have any Lowry remastering/restoration credits at the end, as all of the other (pre-Casino Royale) titles do. This would seem to back up the theory that MGM used an older HD master for that movie, one that was probably prepared for the first DVD release.
Thanks, Josh. I just viewed your profile and as a Valley Girl would squeal, OMG! I found your review (link above), heck I'll post it again, http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6403/bond_50.html and never made the connection, you were the reviewer/author!!! Maybe this is one of the video masters you mention? Do you have a Fox contact to talk to, if it doesn't create hard feelings? Does Mr. Belsen (spelling?) give interviews to the press, Mr. H thinks highly of him.
And BTW, I liked your writing, my first look at your site, which I suppose parallels this one. Maybe you can review for HTF, do a YouTube etc. A ton of great information on your article, thank you!
How does your system compare to Mr. Harris's? I mean, he has Oppo, a big projection Hitachi, 100" screen, calibrated etc. I'm sure we all will see this Blu-ray is a mess, even on my 50" Panny. But we'll have to wait for his reviews, if forthcoming, on the other title. The worthy opposition actually liked Diamonds' picture quality, i.e., Blu-ray.com, and OHMSS (if I got the acronym right).
I note at your site no other reviews other than Dr. No and Russia, and if Mr. H. doesn't mind, links here:
Thanks again, have a good one!
I'm working my way through the set. More reviews will come soon.
Yeah, I'm not going to get this bluray either. I'll stick with my laserdisc for now.
Goldeneye for me was decent when I first saw it. The Nintendo 64 game gives it some of it's popularity as it was more popular then even the movie. Well at least for people in thier late 20's and early 30's that grew up in the mid-90's with the N64. I personally thought Tomorrow Never Dies was a lot better.It's still too bad to hear MGM skipped on the transfer. I guess that is what the 55th or 60th anniversary it for? Proper 4K scan of goldeneye.
Whata ya know, indeed it does not. Goldeneye being the worst of the lot, it makes sense. Still, not a fan of what Lowry has done to these movies or the fact they get credit for supposedly "restoring" ten year old films. And making them look worse in the process.
Thanks for the post Robert! Entertaining as always!
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the other 8!
As always, Mr. Harris, thanks for your witty insights
I'm fairly convinced that's what happened, and they just slapped the newer UA logo on it. This is still one of the more successful films in the series, and it was the film that introduced a new generation to James Bond in the 90s. Seems like it would be worthy of a little more care and attention.
This review is an insult to all of the hardworking filmmakers out there who use Orwo trims and suburban Siberian laboratories. I demand a retraction!
I remember that the Ultimate Edition DVD was not only cropped on all four sides, but it also had the titles repositioned on the screen, presumably so they wouldn't be cropped in the pan-and-scan version.
Yep, somehow Lowry came into the possession of duff masters.
Interesting. It was certainly a tight budget and a couple if storyboarded action sequences had to be reduced altogether. In 1995, the film looked bright and vibrant – the red of the Ferrari was popping out of the scene. Previous home video releases were all decent for their time though – until the restoration came along….
I don’t know what’s worse then- Lowry or MGM doing the work!
I couldn't tell if Robert was being serious on the old film stock comment or not. I still don't know..
I need to check out Goldeneye very soon though. Interesting that this is a new master and there are no Lowry credits at the end of it!
Can't wait to hear The Experience of Love in DTS HD MA sound.
I believe Robert's tongue was planted firmly in his cheek. And I'm convinced that this is actually a very old master, as the color on it looks very similar to the old SE DVD release from the late 90s. Most of the other Bond Blu-rays look pretty nice, so this kind of sticks out like a sore thumb, especially since the film is one of the better-looking films in the series (in terms of the original cinematography).
We've yet to receive these as singles in Canada (along with Diamonds and Octop.)...and likely won't until Spring 2013 when Skyfall is released. I'm hoping Fox will do a quiet remastering job ahead of this. Alhough it's always looked drab, and is vastly overrated, it deserves much better.
??? I saw singles of the newer titles this weekend at Future Shop ( all priced at $9.99) and Sunrise records.
Got it. I just read another review that seems to confirm that it's an old master.
Real missing opportunity here huh?
I guess I'll have a reason for the next upgrade huh?
It's really too bad they did not have Lowry do a new master for the film. Sounds like the audio could've been tweaked a bit as well.